Originally Posted by xXFooFooLaFluffXx

wow i never thought that this thread would turn into something so controversial.........and just to let you know since posting this thread we have another even larger cane toad.......still havent licked either.......
yet!

Originally Posted by Mr-T

Ii heard the latest craze is getting cats to urinate in your face. Apparently you "trip alls and is known to the kids as "cheesing"
lol I'm talking bollocks I just saw it in a new episode of south park ut its very funny

Originally Posted by Cyberlizard

I don't want to sound like a killjoy, but please think about the impression you may be creating to outsiders who are on this forum for the first time - especially parents of young herpers.

If you want natural stimulants, stick to tea and coffee.

Originally Posted by Cyberlizard

I also think you misunderstood my intent. Firstly, if we are going to be seen as responsible people rather than the irresponsible and selfish thrill-seekers that the AR extremists would paint us as, then threads like this do us little good and possible harm. Secondly, if people create the idea that it's OK to use drugs in one form or another, or that it was just a laugh and no harm was done, on a forum where people below a certain age (and their parents) may be reading, I think it gives a bad impression and sends out the wrong message. Talking about it in the pub after a herp meeting is one thing - doing it on here is another.

Having seen first-hand the effects of people getting doped up on "minor" drugs, I am completely unconvinced by the argument that experiment can lead to enlightenment. Far from leading to enhanced creativity, it seems to lead rather to lethargy at best and dependence at worst. I'm speaking as an amateur musician of nearly 30 years, by the way.

For fairness' sake I should add that I also knew a guy who made himself ill drinking 10 cups of real coffee a day. So there!

Originally Posted by Tort

. Who's to say that caffeine is a more moral drug than any other? society? A drug is a drug, legal or not. Children have to learn everything at some point anyway. Like C_strike says "Experimentation is the key to enlighte[n]ment". might be sad, but very very true.

And why should we not be able to talk about this? This is an extremely interesting part of herps. something new that I, and others, like to learn and discuss when learning about our herps. That same amphibians' toxin may eventually be a cure to something like cancer or toe fungi. Then you wouldn't have a problem bringing up a toxin that was once used as a recreational hallucinogen and now is this great cure. shouldn't all spectrum's of amphibians be discussed freely without worrying about what an ignorant child's parents might think? Thats how humanity moves forward and discovers new things.

When it come to herps, I want to know all, the good, the bad, everything. Ask someone here who wants to learn only about certain aspects of herps while leaving out a portion because it will make a child -actually- learn. A child should not be kept in the dark, but taught right from wrong! I believe most open minded parents would agree.

*Disclaimer - I wont try the toxin myself but I'm extremely neutral on the idea of anyone else trying it.

Originally Posted by Blueladybird

I agree with both of you, this is a pretty interesting topic and something i've toyed with the idea of (smoking 5-MeO-DMT) but i think it should be in the 18+ thread so minors weren't able to view it. While i agree that kids should be properly educated on this type of thing (i'll always be open with my kids about the good and bad effects of drugs) i think it should be at there parents discretion how and when they are educated.