Did I say it did?

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totaly agree with the burgular thing Siuk, was just 2 quick fire examples of things they do that we dont, maybe not the best to as id like to do both, but first things that came to me...

matty_=) i wasnt implying you did was just pointing out the fact that just because they do it and its accceptable there dosnt make it right over here. was not aimed at you personaly.

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Not always. It was in fact the RSPCA who assured me that live feeding is NOT illegal, providing unnessecary suffering is not ckaused. In this example, though, I think they would, quite rightly, take a dim view, as would most keepers in the UK!

I dont agree with live feeding for sport only when feeding an animal that wont take dead. But I do agree with the right to defend our homes.

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not just me having a bad day then

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Nah, you're not alone mate, don't worry lol.

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I know I've posted on this before, but I don't think rodents are a natural food for amphibs anyway, even large frogs and toads. I think mammalian prey should be offered to amphibs (and to lizards and chelonians) sparingly if at all. I know there are possibly exceptions, but I think it's all too easy to get into the habit just because pinkies are convenient.

Even those humans that live off red meat all the time suffer for it eventually, and we're better adapted to it as mammalian omnivores.

Did I just have a rant?

i know some of the larger frogs and toads will eat them in the wild, but dont think it is there main or preffered food source, as most frogs/toads eat inverts as there main diet....

frogs/toads hunt on movement so i think it is just a case of the rodent being in the wrong place at the wrong time!

i know a horned frog will try to eat anything that moves infront of it, and kane toads are like dustbins....

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Live feeding to frogs shouldn't be done, theirs no need for them to have mice what so ever, so why feed them live? If you can stomach it with other animals i don't see why it shouldn't be done, though personally id feel too guilty and probably vomit. The reason behind this seemingly paradoxical statement of other animals not frogs is because many other animals are designed to take out things like mice, a snake or bosc makes pretty short work of them. Im willing to bet most if not all frogs would have problems killing them outright.

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