I recently recieved a group of frogs from a guy. However, he didn't know there latin names, and was selling them as africian tree frogs and africian walking frogs. These have all been collected from the same area. Im pritty sure i've id most of them but there are a 2 i can't though i have an idea.

The first frog, amazinlyg cute, spends all day stuck on the glass, is about 15mm long and about 6mm wide. it has a white underbelly with red feet and is a lime green colour. Named, titch or necros :p. only have one of him tho. i would say he's deffently in the Hyperolius family and i think by browsing polywog is an Hyperolius Argus. These are the species i've been after for a while and are madly in love with hehe.







I have 4 of these, which i belive to be phrynomantis microps (africian fire frog). There about 30-40mm long, very secretive and tend to spend lots of time hiding away. They also tend to walk rather then jump when moving.







These were only handled when changing tanks.

Finally the unknown. These are a dull green colour, which a white under belly and white feet and about 20-25mm long. There an epic jumper and seem to be always on the more exploring the tank. Well one does anyway the other spends most of the time hanginf off a leaf. I reacken these are from the Hyperolius family tho im not 100% sure.

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These have all been kept in a comunial tank since being in capativity before i had them. They have all now gone into a tank 3 times larger then there previous, which i was planning to keep Hyperolius in. Depending on the ID on waht i belive to be fire frogs and how they act in the larger community tank, i may have to pass them on to somone else, and replace them with a few more Hyperolius species since these are my passion.

Any help on the ID's and advice on them being together would be nice so long as it isnt slander.

thanks
Jay

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From what ive been told Fire frogs shouldnt be kept with anything else as they produce harmful secretions which can be deadly to other frogs.

I think your thinkg of poison arrow frogs, or dart frogs mate. From reading round the web fire frogs don't do this, alough somthing made me think the same thing as you as well when i first saw them.

Jay

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The third "unknown" species is Hyperolius fusciventris

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thanks mate, are my other two ID's correct,as im not the best with frogs, as all i know is from what i read on the web as i have little first hand experience.

Also, whats your advice on have a Hyperolius mixed set up, with a community of various Hyperolius species. Lots of people say it should be nice, and then the odd person say's it will be a bad idea and wont work.

Jay

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just a bit of advice, when you handle them (only when you really need to) make sure your hands are wet as human skin is very hot compared to amphibians. sorry if you did this, just doesn't look like it in pic.
as for mixing can't really help as i haven't kept these species. how long have they been together before you had them?

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Well some species may be genetically so close to each other than inbreeding may occur-something you wouldn't want,would you?
Temps should be in the low 80's during the day with a cool end at about 77°F.
A glass tank taller than it is long,well-planted with lots of Tillandsia and bromeliads will be fine.Coconut mould covered by a layer of forest moss or sphagnum moss will make a great substrate.Make sure a lot of thin branches or vines will be available.A shallow but large sized water dish must be provided.Foggers may help but are not absolutely necessary.Hope that helps.

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i didn't know this, thanks, will make sure i do this in future, not that i have any plans to handle them.

im not sure on the exact time length im affraid, all i know is the guy had them for a good few months, and he got them from his friend who also had them for a few months, thoughout which time i belive they were always together.

Jay

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Im aware of in-breading, however, as i have no plan to incubate the eggs or raise the tadpoles. I can't see this being a problem, tho in the furure i may plan to.

the set up u described is mine at the moment minus the live plants, as i had no plan on acquiring any amphibians for at least another month or so.

The set up at the moment is a glass tank, with a range of 3 inches to 1 inch substrait, on a bed of bark and stones to allow fo drainage. On top theres a layer of leaf substrait and moss. At one end is a old beetle/circket tub, fild with pepples and some slate so that the frogs have ease of entry and exit, and so that any crickets that get in can also get out. I also have a large leaf hangin in there as well for thew same purpose. in one corner i've used bamboo to creat various hiding places, branches etc. Then along the back of the tank is ivy (plastic) with leafs placed so that there is loads of hiding place's, the ivy also incroges into the main area of the tan as well.

The tanks was in the process of being set up for Hyperolius species anyway, i just hadn't got round to planting it yet, as it was ment to be a live planted viv, over the next few week i pln on acquiring some plants and preparing them to go into the viv.

jay

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hi, ghastly is correct in saying that fire frogs are toxic, as they have very similar to the skin of dart frogs. too long to right out the whole document but..."P. microps is known to have a very toxic skin (Jaeger 1971, Hedges 1983).
These should not be put in amoung other frogs.

Unless all these frogs have an extremely large enclosure, (which i cant see a normal glass tank doing) all these frogs should not be placed together if they are adults. Fair enough if they are still juvies, although still not the fire frogs, but when they are adults they will all fight (and kill) for territories, and always the possibility of cross-breeding ( a big no-no with frog keepers!)

If these are adults please separate, if they are juvies please look into getting 3 separate vivs.

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