Whilst I think that the product looks good, I think you should be prepared to answer questions in a less confrontational manner, not every one is going to think this is a great idea, and I am sure that it is not without flaws (what product is). Many people will use a substrate incubation technique with 100% success rate, for all the species you have mentioned, and although you have suggested decreased incubation time for certain species, I suspect that this has not been proven for all species (or if it has been proven for any). I would like to see some of your data on these claims, if this were true, it would make a very interesting paper. However the volume of data you would need would be large.

As for snakes burying their eggs, are you suggesting that in a natural environment they simply deposit them on the surface exposed to the elements?

Andy

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Some good discussion on this thread, but (as mentioned before) prices might spark a bit more interest.

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Thanks for looking... I will try to answer your questions as best as I can...

This incubation system differs from others in a few ways... Virtually anything that holds humidity can be used in this container. We have used a 50/50 ratio of water to perlite, wet vermiculite, water crystals, perlite water crystal mix, just water, and even a sponge... Everything we used as a substrate worked and we have had a 100% hatch rate so far this season... Eggs are never sitting in damp substrates and the eggs are also able to take in oxygen and expell carbon dioxide at a higher rate being that they are not being smothered in a substrate...

It differs from other "no substrate" container as well... The grid that the eggs sit on is not even touching the humidity holding substrate... The grid is suspended above the substrate... Also we are utilizing the full adjustable triangular egg stabilizer bars... These snap firmly into place and does not allow the eggs to roll or shift... All bars can be removed so you can incubate clumped clutches as well... Plus this is the first ever, ready to use, incubation container ever put into production... And it is also dish washer safe... LOL

The reason I am not giving a price is because this is not a classified ad... I am introducing a product... The containers are not going to be available for sale until the the Daytona Fl show in 2 weeks...

On to snakes egg deposition in the wild...

Obviously snakes do not have appendages make borrows or to dig nests... The use rodent burrows, hollow logs, bambo shoots, and other areas that are not without ventelation... These are spots where the eggs will have a much higher rare of gas exchange than if they had substrate covering them...

Hope this answers some questions for now... More data on the way...

Gregg, will you be producing larger versions for ball python eggs ?

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Yes, in early 2010 we will be offering a large container for python eggs.

More on the product...

Clumped clutches can easily be incubated in this container when you remove the stabilization bars... They are fully adjustable and removable... You can incubate your clumped clutches directly on the flat grid... We tried to think of everything when we designed this container...

Tonight I will also give some detailed data on some of the clutches hatched on these containers including temps, hatch rate and duration of incubation...

Thanks again for looking...

it would be good to let us all know the prices and how much shipping will be , most people on hear wont be going to the show in the USA so why not just start selling them to us in the UK ?

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If anyone wants to know the price of the container, feel free to contanct me via PM... Thank you...

speaking for quite a few people here (i've had p.m's about this)...

WHY THE BIG SECRET ON THE PRICE? surely they're not "that" expensive? even if they are, if they do the job properly, then the price would be justified...

as said, i've been p.m'd by various people, basically saying "why is'nt the guy putting prices up" - "whats he trying to hide" - "why's he being evasive"?

surely, if you want to sell as many as possible, ALL questions should be answered (on the thread), so that everyone can judge for themselves...


also, have you got a "projected" price and size on the larger one thats "in the pipeline"?... thanks...

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I have never used your container to hatch North American colubrids because it is not on the market yet. My conclusions are based on my experience with different incubation methods.

I have found snake eggs in depressions under boards and rocks sitting on the bare ground where they can absorb water directly from the substrate. Wright and Wright's Handbook of Snakes also has a considerable amount of information.

My first few clutches of colubrid eggs (bullsnake, western fox snake, hognose snake) were incubated on a layer of damp paper towels with another layer of damp paper towels on top. This is not a no-substrate method, but it is closer than partly burying them in Vermiculite. Most of the eggs hatched, but dehydration was a constant problem. When I switched to putting the eggs in Vermiculite, I got better hatches (up to 100%) and only had to check the eggs weekly. I have also saved some severely dehydrated bullsnake eggs (laid at the local zoo) by burying them in Vermiculite.

On the other hand, my experience is that putting green tree python eggs in Vermiculite is the kiss of death.

My point is that not all snake eggs have the same requirements. Some do very well in no-substrate incubation, and others do not do as well. Catering to the eggs' requirements is more likely to give good results than a one size fits all technique.

There is no big secret... I have said in this thread, if anyone wants to know the price, they can PM me and I will tell them... As I said a couple of times, I will not put a price in this thread because it is not a classified ad... My post on this product on a different forum was deleted because I talked price in it... Thats why I will not give a price on the thread...

Not sure why anyone would PM you asking these questions when they can PM me and get the answers they are looking for...

*****So please, if anyone has any question on the price of this container contact me via PM...*****

Paul, thanks for your post... You might be suprized at the species hatched in these containers... Some species that do not normally do well on "no substrate" incubation have hatched with 100% success so far... It has more to do with the amount of water in the container than it has to do with the surface they are incubated on in this particular container... What I was getting at is your conclusions on the methods you have used really have nothing to do with this container... Sorry if I came of a bit harsh in my original reply...