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Next up is City-link (which Target Express is now too!!)
City Link : Packaging Tools and Advice As you can see from section 14 (EXCEPTIONAL GOODS), this also covers itself by stating it will not carry animals/livestock except without special arrangements being previously made in writting. Again, on contact for further information, they are currently not in a position to make any special arrangement for live animals/livestock. Therefore they do not have the relevent authorisation to legally courier such goods. Be Aware: If you purchase and animal and accept courier by City-link or Target Express you are breaking the law and your live animal is just another package being thrown about in the back of a van.
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22-03-2008, 03:45 PM
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Next up Fastway Couriers
Homepage Again, their terms and conditions have to be downloaded in PDF format. If you would like to read them yourself, you can find the link on the very very bottom of their homepage (linked above). For the benefit of those who do not have a PDF reader on their computer, here is an extract with the relevant information: Taken from section 11 - Nature of Goods 11.3 The Carrier does not accept for carriage livestock, second hand car parts, perishables, cash, jewellery, glass, or other such valuables. The above items are carried at the Consignor’s Risk.As you can see, this Fastway Couriers DO NOT knowingly accept live animals to courier. Therefore, any animal being sent using them is doing it illegally, without the knowledge of the courier, as the courier DOES NOT hold the relevent paperwork required to offer the service. Be Aware: If you purchase an animal and accept courier by Fastway you are breaking the law and your live animal is just another package being thrown around in the back of a van.
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22-03-2008, 03:52 PM
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And i know of 1 member on this forum that uses fastway , how would they like to be bundled up and chucked about in a cardboard box?
You know who you are and you should be ashamed of yourself after all you say you breed for pleasure not the money so why send your animals this way?????
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This is a really good thread, hopefully this should stop people useing and excepting from these companys. Did you happen to find another company that dose except live animals?
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I really really want the person that uses fastway to come on here and say why they use them.
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Not as yet. All the ones Ive been looking at so far DO NOT have the correct paperwork and do not knowingly accept live animals. So, as yet I have found no evidence to show that I am wrong with the thought that TNT on a live animal account is the only legal means of sending a live animal by courier. If someone does know of one that does, they haven't aid anything as yet...  I am going to write to DEFRA next week and ask them if I can have a list of those that DO actually have the relevent authorisation/licience etc.. Hopefully they will be able to give me the information as it should not be protected by the Data Protection Act and should hopefully come under the Freedom of Information act because it relates to Environmental Information Regulations. But, as I said, I will have to wait and find out as Im not a legally minded person at all and am just doing a bit of detective work now... 
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22-03-2008, 05:13 PM
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Yep the transportation of reptiles is a mine field.
I was not aware other people were using this other couriers. Sounds like a problem just waiting to blow up in the hobbies face. I used to use Amtrax, when they did carry reptiles and then moved over to TNT. Amtrax were much better in my opinion than TNT are now. However, in over 25 years in sending and receiving reptiles I have only lost one animal. ( That is out of literally hundreds of animals ) If you are going to send an animal then TNT is the only big courier I know that does them. There are also the private reptile couriers who provide an excellent service at a premium cost. TNT are far from ideal but they get the job done. But as a sender it is up to myself and other to ensure they are packed as well as possible. For instance the heat packs I use ( and I know Nigel at CornMorphs uses the same ones ) produce heat for up to 24 hours. Some people do not add any and others use the cheaper 6 to 8 hour packs. I often use multipal heat packs in each box. When I send via TNT I charge £30 per shipment to the buyer. The shipment actually costs me more than the £30 I charge when you bring in the cost of Poly boxes, heat packs and TNT actual charges. What I would say is think twice if you are using these unlicensed carriers as it is something that can be used against the whole hobby. Stay legal and don't give anyone the bullets to shot down the hobby and bring in any further legislation or show the hobby in a bad light in the press etc. Stephen
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22-03-2008, 05:46 PM
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Snakebreeder:
Thanks for confirming your thoughts on TNT being the only legal means too. As you said, its not the legal, live animal account of TNT with responsible sellers who proparly package and also refuse to courier unless the weather is just right..(like yourself, nige etc...), its the danger to the animals, the buyer who thinks everything is above board because the don't know any better and the bad press it can cause the hobby in general that is the worry. For example, I heard recently that TNT may completely withdraw the live animal account option completely due to the bad publicity arrising through other non legal couriers haveing problems with animals they do not even know they have in thier pssession until a problem arrises, and in turn the government mabey taking action agains the whole hobby and banning transport through ANY courier. I know that the problems have already been effecting TNT, I think this is why they will no longer let anyone open a live animal account, so its only the people that already have one that can use the service. Also, the current holders of the live animal account now have that at risk as it may be withdrawn. All down to some people trying to make a quick profit and save a few quid, yes I agree breeders need to be able to make a profit....thats what any type of business is all about, but doing things that put an animal directly at risk is - I agree with you - completely irresponsible!
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22-03-2008, 06:54 PM
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Next up is Parceline (soon changing its name to DPD)
Terms and Conditions - Point 4 Again, this courier has animals listed as a Prohibited item and DOES NOT knowingly accept a package containing live animals. Be Aware: If you purchase and animal and accept courier by Parceline, or the soon to be renamed DPD you are breaking the law and your live animal is just another package being thrown around in the back of a van. Next is UPS (United Parcel Services) UPS: Download Service and Tariff Guide As you can see this is a case of downloading their service guide in PDF format in order to find the relevent information. For those who may like to read it themself, you will find the download at the ablove link. For the benefit of those who do not have PDF reader I can confirm that page 38 of the guide clearly lists UPS's Prohibited items, and yes, live animals is one of them. Be Aware: If you purchase an animal and accept courier by UPS (United Parcel Services) you are breaking the law and your live animal is just another package thrown about in the back of a van.
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