i just looked it up on one of the websites on the above reply. iys called a luxating patella. the back knee cap slips out of the ridges that keeps them in place. good sites for info on the jrs.

Cheers for the link's hun :wink:

That doesnt really bother me to much as we didnt deffo want to get her reg, just thought it'd be nice if we could but we love her just the way she is and shes stunning in our eyes <3

Doesn't that mean her puppies won't be registerable though?

Sorry, but I have a real bee in my bonnet about dogs. I see so many with behavioural problems, and passed from pillar to post, ansd I feel that at least with pedigree, registered dogs, people are parting with a lot of money for them and it's not something they will do lightly, without some thought. Plus, when we bought our puppy, the breeder was like the dog gistapo, which although made us uncomfortable at the time, I can see why she is like that.

It's not a personal dig at you, but so many people breed without thought. What if someone buys one of her puppies and cannot keep it any longer? are you in a position to take it/more than one of them back to either keep or rehome yourself? Would you be prepared to have x-rays done to ensure your bitch isn't likely to pass on any heridtary defects to her pups? A lotof breederas with reg, health checked stud dogs would nto allow them to mate an unregistered, un-health checked bitch, so finding a stud may become a problem.

Sorry, as you may just have mentioned breedeing from her in passing, in which case, I apologise!!! She IS a beautiful looking dog, whatever, and looks a real character!!!

she has had health checks done when we first got her, and the vet checked her hips ect and said she was in great health, im also not into breeding her just to make money from her but then again i wont let the puppys just go to anybody,

ive also found a stud for her thats not a problem but i want to wait untill shes old enough as i dont want to put her or the puppys at risk.

the jack russell is not a breed registered by the kennel club in britain. although i cant understand why. the jr is a wee dog wi a lions heart. and they are more attractive than some dogs i have seen that are kennel club registered. i think they register them in america though, as it is a recognised breed over there.

I get what you mean there midori, its quite a soapbox i think we could all get on. My family have bred dogs in the past so im not new to it,

Plus i dont entirely agree with the amount paid guarantees a safehouse for the new dog. A lot of people have so much disregard and lack of respect for money that i dont think it actually bothers them as theyd probably sell the dog on and keep stum about any problems.
Second to that i have known lads that will pay top money for a dog with the intention of letting it fight.
My mother in law swore by getting a pedigree and nothing else and their West Highland white has some pedigree i can tell you, the health checks were second to none, put it this way no expense spared, yet that dogs been to the vet more times than ours has barked at the door. To name a few she has a skin complaint, troublesome anal glands and arthritis in her hips. My grandad always paid top money for KC reg German shepherds and yes their hips were fine but other problems arose ie diabetes.

sorry for war and peace and i wasnt trying to be offensive

I understand what you're saying about no guarantees, but having the correct health checks (hip socres, elbow scores and eye tests etc) does reduce the risks of problems. The lady who bred our golden has not had any probelms with hips etc in the 25 years she has been breeding,a dn I expect one of the reasons for this is that although the Kennel club allow registration of pups who's parents have a hip score of up to 30, she will only breed if the hip score is under 15.

I also agree that charging a lot of money for a puppy does not guarantee it a good home, but that, combined with other things can help. For example, we found our puppy by getting a puppy list from the Kennel club, the correct starting point as far as I am concerned for people who want a puppy, and she would not have been 'advertised' anywhere else. The puppies were all 'booked' before they were even born, and the breeder spoke to us on the phone for several hours before she'd even take our deposit. Then she only took it on the understanding that at any time up until we took our pup home (and we visited pup 2-3 times a week from the day she was born until we took her home) if she had any doubts about us, she would return our deposit and not allow us to have the puupy. She has also endorsed Indi's documents so that we cannot breed frm her without her breeders consent, or export her. We keep in regular touch with the breeder, and Indi goes to stay there if we go away. If at any time we find we can no longer keep her, we will return her to her breeder, although there is about as much chance of me giving her back as giving one of my children away!

This is not aimed at you, Emporer Angel, just speaking in general, and i have to say, I really didn't realise how hard it would be to get a puppy until i got one! Also, what with 6 pups whos' potential onwers are visiting 3 times a week for 1/2 to an hour a time, sleeping next to welping pen for two weeks on a mattress (what our breeder did!) weaning onto high quality food, bedding/laundry, vet checks before pups leave the breeeder and KC registration, plus the intial hip scores/eye tests, ANYONE who thinks, they can breed a litter of pups properly and make money, must be mad!

[quote="midori"]oh i dont know really, a person i work with breeds british bulldogs, fair enough he has all the KC registration work and the weaning to do, he certainly doesnt sleep on a mattress next to the welping pen and he adores his dogs so its not a question of being cruel, and he makes an extremely good coin off it. same as the staffordshire bull terrier breeder up the road from us, a lot of people travel miles to have his staffs and i must admire the flashy car he has with the leftover money.
I know you wasnt having a dig at us, Its plain to see you are a genuine dog lover, but i know lots of people who have dogs that are not from top breeders that wont advertise anywhere but the official place but merely in free ads and theyve had their dog till its last day.I disagree with what you state about a KC list is the only starting place where you should look for a puppy, this is looking with the blinkers on as the saying goes,I could show you plenty of these so called top breeders that have their parent dogs on the KC list that are only in it for the money, YES they love their dogs but they STILL are at the end of the day in it for the money, You were lucky and got a very good owner but you DO get the breeders that say "i wont take the money if i dont think its the right dog for you" RUBBISH that is just one of the best sales speeches in the game.
My wife Penny (emporer angel) Worked in the kennel business for a long while before and just after i met her and she has some good stories of so called quality breeders or even quality OWNERS for that case. Just because a person gets a dog out of a newspaper ad or an online ad it doesnt speak any less of that owner does it?

Double post.

With regard to the making money thing, we are obviously intending to breed from our bitch assuming all goes to plan. We will probably let her have one or two litters. So, keeping our bitch for up to 15 years at £60 a month will cost approx £10,800. (SCARY!!! ) Pups sell for around £600, although about £200 of that for each pup is taken up in costs of feeding/health checking/worming/registering/possible first vaccs. So with an average of 6 pups per litter, you'd be looking at 4-5 litters just to cover costs, and that's without including costs of hip scoring/elbow scoring/eye testing for the bitch, or time taken to look after the bitch or her litter, or 'vewings/vetting' of prospective owners. So, as far as I am concerned, there is no money to be made in responsible breeding. Just my opinion though.

I know there are lots of people who buy dogs out of free ads papers, and keep them for life, just as there are people who buy dogs from the kennel club lists and re-home them. It just REALLY winds me up that people treat animals, especially dogs, but ALL animals as their property, something they can buy or give away/sell as they chose, on a whim, and not for life. How often do you see advertised that a pup is being re-homed at 6 months 'due to new baby'? They must have known they were pregnant when they got the pup!!! There are NO guarantees, but it makes sense if breeding to do as much as you possibly can to ensure your pups have the best chance of a lifelong home and no health problems.

I went to clients house only last week who had a lovely litter of Poodle pups. Bitch was 18 months old, and it was her second litter, as they had just let their entire male poodle mate her. Neither dog nor bitch were registered, pups will not be registered. No health tests done on any of them, and vet will not see pups before they go to new homes. The person loves her dogs, there is no doubt about that, but she has no idea where her previous pups are, and has no intention of taking them back or having anything to do with them once new owners have taken them. Same person says she likes having poodles as she only has to walk them once a week! It's things like this that make me mad!!!!

Sorry, as this has gone a bit off-topic!

Oh, farmer at yard where my horses are has two lovely JRT's. I was asking him about Kennel club registration, and he thinks he Kennel club do not yet register as they are still thought to be a 'new' breed, so maybe they will sometime in the future?!

And really should get on with my christmas dinner now.....