yeah I recon pygmies, from what I have read, they are non lethal, small, and easy to keep according to old Ludwig I believe it was.

But also my europeon horn nosed viper is like Jays, very laid back hooks well and never strikes.

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isn't a supposed beginner hot supposed to teach you? what good is a beginner hot if it just lays there?... just asking. i mean if you get a slug for a hot, how does that prepare you for a say, mamba or big diamondback?

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yeah I see your point, but it can teach you safe working practice, if it just sits there you can learn to hook, move not get in range and do all the other day to day tasks, knowing that it still has the potential to do damage.

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I'm talking starters for first time keepers learning on their own as alot of us do.

There are many factors to take in for first time keepers they are often very nervious and unsure of their skills with the tools they use. So to get their feet wet and idea of how it all works a slower snake would be a good starter.

A copperhead is not going to prepare you for a green mamba or a big diamondback.

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it's all good... this thread is just way too subjective a topic. what did you first work with?... i'm just asking, not looking for an argument...just curious.

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I first kept myself a vipera ammodytes, I worked with a few others C.atrox A.contortrix ect

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I started with Pygmy Rattlers

This is not a win or loose topic just a discussion we all have our own opinions and I'm not trying to change anyones mind just curious.

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back in the late '70's we didn't have very many options on what you could keep... most of the time you had to either buy a hot at a pet shop or go catch one... i would tend to agree with you eric about a pygmy.... it makes sense for someone wanting to get comfortable with hots... they for one thing won't wipe out everyone in the room and size alone makes them extremely managable i believe.

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are most pygmies as placid as this??

YouTube - MONSTER PYGMY (GUS ONEBEAR)

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Doubt it, still got to remember it is a hot and could do some serious damage !!