Free Handling Venomous Research! - Page 4

Eric · #31 (**permalink**) 06-07-2008, 01:54 AM

I have a gaboon venomoid that is very mellow but that is quite different than a truely hot snake. I think these snakes could be mellow but it would take alot of time and not worth the risk after 5 months of handing they are no calmer than the ones that were not handled.

steveyruss · #32 (**permalink**) 06-07-2008, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by glidergirl

At a risk of being shunned (lol), I don't think there are many handlers that are 'good' enough to be free handling venomous, there have been so many bites in the UK over the past 2 years, and these weren't through 'playing'. I think the process of gaining a license in the UK just isn't strict enough, we have people that obtained a license after 6 months of keeping snakes! We have 17 year olds preparing their venomous room ready to go for their license as soom as they are 18! I don't want anyone to take offence to those comments, but keeping venomous snakes should be something that is worked up to over MANY years of handling snakes in general, and after much training.

I personally think DEFRA should have a list of DEFRA registered mentors that have many years of experience and are willing to share their trade which is not something that would be easy to instigate.

The purpose of the DWA is to protect the public NOT the keeper. So one can fight and die for their own country but they cannot apply for a DWA license at the age of adulthood? The funny thing is I don't see the government trying to stop all of bad drivers out there

They cannot deny you the right of owning one of these animals if you meet certain safety criterias and housing for the animal although many councils have taken your attitude to limit this freedom by swamping people out with absurdly high licensing costs. Who is to say who isn't a good keeper and who is, this idea implemented would just be pure elitism, besides there is no measuring stick because the authorities just don't have the experience in dealing with this sort of thing.

And to the guy doing this 'research' good luck and be safe, it sounds interest but at the same it all sounds pretty stupid.

SiUK · #33 (**permalink**) 06-07-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by steveyruss

The purpose of the DWA is to protect the public NOT the keeper. So one can fight and die for their own country but they cannot apply for a DWA license at the age of adulthood? The funny thing is I don't see the government trying to stop all of bad drivers out there

They cannot deny you the right of owning one of these animals if you meet certain safety criterias and housing for the animal although many councils have taken your attitude to limit this freedom by swamping people out with absurdly high licensing costs. Who is to say who isn't a good keeper and who is, this idea implemented would just be pure elitism, besides there is no measuring stick because the authorities just don't have the experience in dealing with this sort of thing.

And to the guy doing this 'research' good luck and be safe, it sounds interest but at the same it all sounds pretty stupid.

The thing is though, DWA keeping isnt like driving cars, theres alot of people that would like to see it banned anyway, and the more people that get bit and publicised it gets the worse it looks and more likely it is to get banned.

Declan123 · #34 (**permalink**) 06-07-2008, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SiUK

The thing is though, DWA keeping isnt like driving cars, theres alot of people that would like to see it banned anyway, and the more people that get bit and publicised it gets the worse it looks and more likely it is to get banned.

Very very true... the more bites that take place and more people that have a reason to complain, therefore making it more likely to get peoples passion banned

Declan123 · #35 (**permalink**) 06-07-2008, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by glidergirl

We have 17 year olds preparing their venomous room ready to go for their license as soom as they are 18!

I never said i was applying for my liesence when im 18...

I said, im making it into a reptile room, therefore may aswell make it into a Venomous room, instead of "Revamping" it for when im ready....
Im trying to get as much experience as possible, (which is a very hard thing to do)

Id prefer to save my money first to travel a few different countries than go and spend my money on some Venomous... therfore not being able to travel due to noone being able to care for my animals....!

glidergirl · #36 (**permalink**) 06-07-2008, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by steveyruss

The purpose of the DWA is to protect the public NOT the keeper. So one can fight and die for their own country but they cannot apply for a DWA license at the age of adulthood? The funny thing is I don't see the government trying to stop all of bad drivers out there

They cannot deny you the right of owning one of these animals if you meet certain safety criterias and housing for the animal although many councils have taken your attitude to limit this freedom by swamping people out with absurdly high licensing costs. Who is to say who isn't a good keeper and who is, this idea implemented would just be pure elitism, besides there is no measuring stick because the authorities just don't have the experience in dealing with this sort of thing.

And to the guy doing this 'research' good luck and be safe, it sounds interest but at the same it all sounds pretty stupid.

DEFRA are actuallly trying to make it easier to get a license, they fully acknowledge that people are keeping venomous snakes illegally and so want to make it easier for people to obtain a license!

Myo · #37 (**permalink**) 08-07-2008, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric

I feel 5 months was long enough considering you can take a WC Reticulated python or other naturally aggressive non venomous species and calm them in a few months. These guys are not overly aggressive but the handling made no difference in their temperament what so ever. I figured it wouldn't but tried none the less leaving the possibility open.

Basically with 5 months in and no change considering the dangers it just wasn't worth it. I got the little Formosa right out of the egg more or less and handled it from day one and it acts just like the rest. So continuing the project seemed pointless.

Good on you. this is certainly interesting read, however, the whole premise of this experiment is flawed. if the snakes can be handled without biting (you proved this the first free handling session), then they are as tame as they are going to get anyway, so no amount of handling will make them calmer as they are already calm. to do this experiment properly you would need some sort of bite proof clothing and a really aggressive snake that strikes at anything. Then over time you might see that the snake becomes more reluctant to bite.

Declan123 · #38 (**permalink**) 08-07-2008, 02:09 AM

Absolute foolishness - TRR Forums

Youve got haters Eric

southwest vipers · #39 (**permalink**) 09-07-2008, 04:57 PM

Do the freehandling blindfolded and naked.. I would love to see that on "Youtube"..

jaysnakeman · #40 (**permalink**) 09-07-2008, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by southwest vipers

Do the freehandling blindfolded and naked.. I would love to see that on "Youtube"..

so you want to see him naked eh? you southerners are an odd lot

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