Komodo any1 got? - Page 3

kelboy · #21 (**permalink**) 06-07-2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ssthisto

According to Dr. Bryan Fry, they've found very well-developed venom glands in the lower jaw of certain monitor species - including Komodos. The research was started because animals bitten by Komodos were dying *too fast* for it to be septicaemia.

Venom is Komodo dragon's lethal weapon - Times Online

I stand corrected. That'll teach me to listen to the information given in documentaries, and take it as gospel. Thanks for enlightening me.

blood and guts · #22 (**permalink**) 06-07-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kelboy

I stand corrected. That'll teach me to listen to the information given in documentaries, and take it as gospel. Thanks for enlightening me.

Things move on, theres always new findings going on and old docs being repeated. Personaly i never 100% bought into the bacteria thing anyway, it was all way to quick.

SiUK · #23 (**permalink**) 06-07-2009, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kelboy

I stand corrected. That'll teach me to listen to the information given in documentaries, and take it as gospel. Thanks for enlightening me.

theres a good documentary where Brian Fry talks about his findings, the initial paper was released a couple of years ago where he said what he had discovered.

heres part one all five parts are there.

YouTube - 1of5 -- Evolve - Venom

The_Real_Moreliaman · #24 (**permalink**) 07-07-2009, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by blood and guts

No diffrent to croc monitors really and the app 1 thing can and has resrictions applied on some spieces in the past so is a possibility. Jerry cole for one had a total nightmare when he bought in cb rhino iggys and wasent aloud to sell or pass any on.

I suggest you email jerry and ask the real reasons why.

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Originally Posted by Ssthisto

The problem with getting hold of Komodos is more that they're a "national treasure" of sorts, and the only ones available outside of Indonesia tend to be in zoo collections; zoos are often reluctant to sell surplus offspring into the private hobby. Hence the MASSIVE price.

That, and the fact that Komodos ARE venomous and are known to have killed quite a few people in their native country (Robert Bakker's "Dinosaur Heresies" lists the Komodo's diet as something like "Goats, pigs and German tourists") makes them rather impractical to keep compared to some DWA species.

Not so.....the breeder in europe that was selling them was a private keeper, he infact supplied quite a few zoo's with the stock they have now.
And yes he is very reluctant to sell them to private keepers unless he knows their requirments can be met.
The fact that they are venomus has nothing to do with it, its mainly due to the size they attain, the size of enclosure they need and they show no fear of humans the larger they grow.
1000's of species on the DWA are far more dangerous than komodos.

kelboy · #25 (**permalink**) 07-07-2009, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SiUK

theres a good documentary where Brian Fry talks about his findings, the initial paper was released a couple of years ago where he said what he had discovered.

heres part one all five parts are there.

YouTube - 1of5 -- Evolve - Venom

Cheers

The_Real_Moreliaman · #26 (**permalink**) 07-07-2009, 04:24 AM

yes i know there are spelling mistakes in that post...(like the word venomous)....frankly i couldnt care.....as someone pointed out in another thread...this is a reptile forum....not a grammer school !

I'd like to add to this: he is very reluctant to sell them to private keepers unless he knows their requirments can be met

He also takes into account the level of experince of the intended keeper, something which i applaude, as i too have refused sales due to this reason.

When i had my shop there was a sign in the reptile section: We do not condone impulse buying, we reccomend that you research your intended purchase as much as possible BEFORE you buy it & you may be asked questions to prove you can provide the correct level of care needed! Books are available at the counter for every specie we sell !

Ssthisto · #27 (**permalink**) 07-07-2009, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Moreliaman

Not so.....the breeder in europe that was selling them was a private keeper, he infact supplied quite a few zoo's with the stock they have now.
And yes he is very reluctant to sell them to private keepers unless he knows their requirments can be met.
The fact that they are venomus has nothing to do with it, its mainly due to the size they attain, the size of enclosure they need and they show no fear of humans the larger they grow.
1000's of species on the DWA are far more dangerous than komodos.

Note the following words I used:

Komodos tend to be in zoos, not private collections (That means that MOST of them are in zoos - I am not denying that there are privately held Komodos, but I would assume that there are fewer of these than there are zoo-owned ones).

Komodos are impractical to keep compared to some DWA species. (That means that yes, they're not as easy to keep as certain species that are on the DWA - but not that they are harder to keep than all DWA species are. The venom is one aspect, and the size/potential aggression is another. I would assume it is easier to keep a hand-reared Dingo than it is to keep a Komodo ... but it is probably safer to keep a Komodo than to keep an elephant.)

The_Real_Moreliaman · #28 (**permalink**) 07-07-2009, 07:45 AM

Blimey ok....no need to go all defensive on me...i was only clarifying a few points !

(i'd say its safer to keep an elephant than a komodo....elephants can be trained)

Ssthisto · #29 (**permalink**) 07-07-2009, 08:45 AM

But more elephants kill zookeepers than *any* other species...

The_Real_Moreliaman · #30 (**permalink**) 07-07-2009, 12:44 PM

Very true.....but look how many elephants are in captivity compared to komodos...perhaps when they equal each other we can check the results again

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