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To be honest, theres no cruelty involved with what he does so i couldn't really care less. He can breed and use them to earn money and get the punters in for all i care, but the animals are fed, watered, exercised and happy and thats all that matters to me, he can be an idiot all he likes, and it will if it hasn't already land him in a worse off place eventually, but until that time, the cats aren't suffering! Some of his white lions he actually got from conservation centres in Africa! so they're doing exactly the same as hes doing, breeding and swapping white cats for now blood, so why is it only him that gets the finger pointed at? this is what pisses me off about situations like this! just because hes been on TV and a well known person, that makes him the bad guy! if they're going to slate one person then they should be expected to slate everyone else who does it! anyway, i'm not going to sit here and argue about someone i don't even know, i have better things to be doing with my time, because like ever discussion thread on this forum, everyone likes to have the last word, and the thread just won't come to an end until its been locked.
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The same is the case with the white tigers in the zoo. The breeding of white tigers has no conservation value, they are not a subspecies of Bengal Tigers, they are something that people find attractive and want to see. When it comes to conservation, they have little value especially as they are highly inbred to be white and produce all these fancy tiger morphs. Breeding fancy coloured tigers is no different that breeding fancy coloured corn snakes. They are pretty to look at but are no use for conservation. These aren't animals that would be suitable for releasing their offspring into the wild. Personally I think zoos should be for conserving a species, not for trying to breed all kinds of fancy morphs like is done for the pet trade.
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lol my bad silversteno... I'll be quicker next time!
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The white lion issues are slightly different to the white tigers but neither are the point of my post (personally I believe neither have any more conservation value than the lobster people (google it!) i.e. I have no problem with them existing and long may they prosper, but to suggest they should be selected for and breed extensively to increase their population in the wild is ludicrous - it is also a million miles away from captive/domestic morph breeding) ..the main point was that there is empirical evidence for cruelty- the report published that proves he declaws almost all of his cats (http://www.declawing.com/ http://www.pawproject.com/html/, ) ....the evidence that he removes young cats from their mothers when they are days old in order to imprint them (conservation? errr I think not) and the evidence that he is a little less than gentle with them. Top that with the fact that he took three white lion )cubs on tour (six shows a day) that were three weeks old - without their mother! This was actually on one of his shows, so isn't even a 'propaganda' thing! I would argue your notion that 'no cruelty is involved'.... Here's another link YouTube - Craig Busch 60 Minutes Part 1 yes - the vid is a little biased, but even if you just watch what happens at 1.44 (with sound) it should remove the rose tinted spectacles a little. I don't know him, but the more I read (on both sides) the less I like him and the more concerned I am about the numbers of supporters in this country who have been sucked in by the cute and fluffy cuddling a big cat thing.
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But when your breeding for a species future there is no place for mutations of the species.I'm not saying that the mutation animal shouldn't live.But it should be spayed/castrated and never bred from if your about Conservation. White tiger = Conservation =  .White lion = Conservation = .If mother nature throughs a mutation and it live and it does happen then fair enough.But man deffo shouldn't be invloed in mutations if there about Conservation.
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well, white tigers are a rare mutation and he is trying to conserve that, there are less then 300 white tigers in captivity and less then 100 of those are pure bengal, the rest are bengalxsiberian crosses, this is a mutation that needs to be carefully cultivated and managed, as it is so easily inbred, much work has been done by henry doorly zoo and others, including mr busch.
he took animals to hand-raise them so they will be tame, he is an animals trainer, and uses these animals in films, commercials and such, this is common practice in the exotic cat world. white tigers can and used to live very well in the wild, they have been depicted as early as 1200 by european traders, they became extinct in the wild not because of camoflague, but because they were systematiclly wiped out by humans, chosen over their orange bretherin for trophy hunts and capture for royal menageries.i will bet you any money that if a bunch of white tigers were born in the wild today, the mortality rate would not be much higher then normal if humans didn't kill/capture any. declawing is also routine with these animals, most people would be familiar with the archiac system that requires 3weeks rehab afterward, the new method (i.e. first used in the '90's) uses lasersurgery and the kitten is up and running around that day, and removing them to imprint them is part and parcel of taming them (if he didn't he wouldn't be able to enter the cage)
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