wow thats excellent news mel , you'll love them too

keep in touch and let us know how you get on

N

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You will have to forgive me Barry, but l followed up that email you suggested in the post to Mel.

And lo and behold, another scammer, lol

I sent our Moma, and email and here is the response:

Hello,

Thanks very much for the email.

The kinkajou will cost you 600€. Cost of transporting the kinkajou to your location is 250€.

The kinkajou is health checked and vaccinated and she will be exported to you with all her health and legal documents.

I am sure that the kinkajou will be an excellent New year Companion if you can show her love and care.

I am an international breeder and exporter of monkeys and kinkajou.

I have a long time experience in exporting my kinkajou both to USA and Europe and so I can very well export the kinkajou to you without any problem OK.

I am a state registered breeder and I have all my exportation License available.

I will be exporting the kinkajou to you through the DOUALA INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT (CAMEROON AIRLINES).

It will take approximately 8 hours for the kinkajou to be exported to you and the exporting company will deliver the kinkajou to you at your house OK.

So you will have to send to me the following informations that I shall use at the CUSTOM DEPARTMENT and also at the MINISTRY OF LIVESTOCK to make the export documents and I shall also use the informations at the airport to export the kinkajou to you.

The required informations are :

YOUR FULL NAMES ......
HOUSE ADDRESS .......
PHONE NUMBER ......
CITY AND ZIP CODE .......
NAME OF THE NEAREST AIRPORT TO YOUR LOCATION ......

As soon as you send all the above required informations, I will immediately go over to the MINISTRY OF LIVESTOCK and to the CUSTOM DEPARTMENT and make all the export documents of the kinkajou in your name and send to you OK.

I shall be exporting the kinkajou to you with some of her Christmas toys and other accessories like diapers.

I assure you that the kinkajou will be an excellent home companion if you should take good care of her OK.

I am located in PENSSVILLE Cameroon, from where I shall be exporting the kinkajou to you.


Thanks and get back to me soon.

My number including area code is :002379669 9492

The bits in red are simply fascinating, and whilst viewed as a scammer over here because of that terminology, perhaps State side it is different.
But here we have a fine opportunity for a kinkajou to be sold to us in no less than eight hours, supplied with its own diapers, which is a blessing since, travelling at the speed of light, it no doubt will shit itself in order to arrive in the UK, and direct to your door!

They are everywhere, these people.

Love them, yep!

R

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hey rory thanks for posting th email i got it too and i knew it had scammer written all over diapers and toys??? Unfortunately some people would fall for this and think it would be ok to have a kinkajou in a diaper which it is not falls under the primate thing again as alot of these scammers actually call them kinkajou monkeys and dont even what species the animals is

Am I missing something guys?

1) he never called them monkeys.
2) he's from Africa, not the States. Cameroon. A center for exotics (although admittedly, not usually kinkajou)

Now I have no idea if he's legit or not. I have dealt with a couple of African suppliers, and the English isn't always great. Also they have very different views on what is acceptable in terms of conditions. This is normal - it's the same in Thailand, South America and Eastern Europe, other places I've had dealings with.

It's not hard to drop the government agencies over there a phone or mail - just ask the guy for his details, and phone the relevant department.

Or do what I do - get on a plane and go see him (although there are dealers/breeders much closer to home. Try Belgium or Holland). If you're happy with the animals, the pedigree, the paperwork and the deal, buy it. If not, walk away. Before you fly, ask for photos of the animals with a recent newspaper and some id of his in the shot, for you to check up on. Proof of address too, which you'll pass on to the authorities.

Failing that, pay someone who's used to dealing in exotics like TSKA to source you one. Let them do their magic.

Oh - the price on shipping is *way* out - if he is real, get that brought right down.

If you do go visit - take someone big and very mean looking. It's not like nipping down to Tescos.

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Wanted: someone in North London area who can help me learn more about keeping venomous snakes. Happy to donate to food costs etc in return for experience.

ps - don't forget.. that as kinks are order carnivora.. they would require 6 months in a quarentine centre on entry to the uk...

pps... would not touch moma anthony with someone elses barge pole!

had a classic convo last night with a scammer...

advertising a "lion" for sale..
so i mailed him "for more info" and said did he have any proof, as i was worried he was a scammer...

so he sent me this back, which i thought was class i have to say..

but this did then allow me to get his email address...

so i stuck his email into google, as you do..

useram3084@yahoo.co.uk - Google Search

and found him selling everything from capuchins to blue and gold macaws.. and anywhere from the UK to toronto..

so i mailed him back with

How is that an insult?

95% of the adverts for exotics animals in the classifieds are posted by scammers..

if you are a genuine person, you will know and understand this!

Your email is listed as being involved with selling anything from lions.. to blue and gold macaws, bull dog puppies, and capuchins

As well as advertising anywhere from the UK to Toronto..

Hence why I suspected you were a scammer..

*laughs*

and you know what… you ARE a scammer aren’t you!

I cannot insult you, by telling you the truth of what you are

I could have come and seen you in essex tomorrow, with your lion.. but I suspect availability of flights to the Cameroon on this short notice to be somewhat limited


Yours (not)

Nerys

and bless, i got this back this morning...

anyway, now back to momaanthony

sticking his email into google, gives you the following link to the advert he has posted in london, which i suspect is where barry got the details from???

London Cute pair baby Kinkajou for sale, Cameroon • London Classifieds, Flats to Rent, Jobs in London, Free Classified Ads UK

now.. i want you to look at the pictures he has posted with the advert?

first off this one:



this picture is stolen from a site called Exotic Pets

here in fact:

Calvin - Kinkajou Picture

page 11 in the gallery, image copyright to a "jackie", this shot is of "Calvin"

Photo © Jackie
Calvin - Kinkajou




i've not as yet found the original source of the other image given, but then i got bored of looking tbh..

i'd say moma anthony was a scammer personally.. quite apart from anything else, how did he think he would be able to deliver it within 8 hours... from the cameroons, when the actual flight takes longer to begin with!

lol, bless, they do try don't they..

Nerys

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LOL Barry,

Big and mean!! I have been into some TESCO's and they have security guards in some London stores that are the very same.

Dealing with the Cameroons direct is more than a scary notion, it is just a nightmare, even when business is legit, sorting out the honest dealers from the not so moral is like trying to raise the Titanic with nothing more than a brick!

If you were going to import, then the easiest option is direct from Europe, but we too have also tried this path for some of our other clients and it comes down to availability at the time of application.

Plus then there is the actual quarantine, so you have to at the start look at cost of Kink in euros, then the transport - now that may be quarantine transport direct from your seller, but more than likely not, so that is transport direct to port, and then the arrangement of quarantine transport from the port in UK to the quarantine centre.

Or alternatively quarantine transport from the UK to pick and collect and then deliver to your selected quarantine centre.

Then there is the task of finding a UK quarantine centre that will house Kinks for 6 months?

Failing the location of that facility, you may then have to consider self quarantine - so that means building the centre yourself and then hopefully DEFRA will pass you.

Finally you then have the quarantine costs, and that at £75 per week average means roughly £2000.

So all in all your ideally priced European Kink at E500, has now just cost you from start to finish, oh gosh about £4500.

Cool!!

I will buy into that, lol.

Or alternatively, get onto a waiting list in the UK and see what transpires.

R

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I'll PM you about a trip to South America which went sour Rory. Dealing with some of the suppliers can turn pretty nasty. It can help to be prepared.

Same goes when buying classic cars from Romania as I found out recently too

To the OP - It really is a tricky game playing with animals an importing. And expensive.

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Wanted: someone in North London area who can help me learn more about keeping venomous snakes. Happy to donate to food costs etc in return for experience.

Oh tell me mate, l have had some hair raisers as well!!

Many years ago, l was in another brokerage system, non livestock and dealing with Thailand and Cambodia, really beautiful mother of pearl inlays, silks and woodens, and had to be careful with my boistrous attitude and not upset some of the locals there.

Or dealing with the South Americans as you have, they are not to be trifled with under any circumstances, even over the damned phone!!

R

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yes import/export is difficult but i jumped in at the deep end

first import (its easy i found) when i was 14 about 50 budgies a week! countless since gone through a good few thousand birds,

first export at 18 i absolutely shat myself, ive now done two, and another one booked, defra and all the official stuff was the first time i had ever steppede foot in a veterinary practice as well.

though its not all bad guys it sjust playing with big bucks and taking big risks many a times i have made all or nothign gambles, worth doing though if you seek stress

Sorry guys I cant be of any help here, I had to type kinkajous into google to see what they were lol OMG they are gorgeous!Can see why op wants one.
Hope everything works well for you

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