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Old 12-02-2008, 04:57 PM
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Yes but acquiring a companion for the meerkat is alot simpler and achievable than flying birds regularly and safely. Purchasing 2 meerkats is safe where as free flying the birds has possible safety and health concerns for the birds.

Its about weighing up the pros and cons and all the cons associated with Saff getting another meerkat are trivial.
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where? in a a room..or aveiry?? still not great isit
I can assure you my birds are pretty healthy & happy My living room is very open without a room above it & so is the height of the whole house, the room is very large, much bigger than most avairies.


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you cant provide them with a natural life like you are expecting the OP to give the meercat. The fact is keeping something in captivity you arnt going to be able to keep it in a very natural way, be it birds and flight or meercats and companions in these situations, some aspects that have a negative effect on the animal have to be cut out in order to keep the animal if you dont agree dont keep the animal

My birds get sufficient exercise. Meerkats need companions, this one doesn't have one.
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Yes but acquiring a companion for the meerkat is alot simpler and achievable than flying birds regularly and safely. Purchasing 2 meerkats is safe where as free flying the birds has possible safety and health concerns for the birds.

Its about weighing up the pros and cons and all the cons associated with Saff getting another meerkat are trivial.
It is simple to achieve sutiable flight for birds, get a big enough aveiry to start with. I have a good 20 foot long one in my back garden gives them a decent flight. So by the meercat logic, If you cant provide a big enough aveiry for a good wing stretch any time they want then dont get the animal.

why is this still going on, she said she will get another, who are we to not trust her?
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Old 12-02-2008, 05:07 PM
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(quote)'Taming nicely', its not a domestic pet! Its a wild animal, seriously what the hell are your motives for owning it?

What are the reasons for owning dogs? dogs would have once started out being wild animals, you could say ALL reptiles are not domestic so why do we keep them?

Its a weird subject as i dont personally own one, but have worked with them for a while in a zoo. One male was rejected my 2 groups of meercats so he had to live with one of my co-workers. He never left her side and he was healthy and is still around and about 8 years old. Im just saying in the wild not every meercat belongs to a group and they survive.

Why don't you research a subject first before posting utter nonsense. Yes, dogs were domesticated from wild dogs, but let's examine something here shall we:

Currently there are thousands of breeds of dog, some purposely selected over thousands of generations for various traits such as hunting or guarding behaviours. They have been domesticated for a purpose, tens of thousands of years into our past for hunting and family needs.

Since then, of course we have altered their genetics -the wild dog, and domestic dog are quite far removed from one another, and simply are not a great comparison to having contempory Meerkats. You must also see that this early domestication was driven by neccessity for better hunting tools to ease life - the welfare was not neccessarily top of a families worries in glacial Britian.

Meerkats do not have the "benefit" of thousands of years living in groups with man. I am sure early dogs were forced to make some concessions when being "forced" into domestication by early man, but Meerkats have not had such an experience.They have existed in groups in the wild, and I have seen no evidence to suggest otherwise. Keeping them as a pet means that you should keep them in as close as possible to natural conditions.

You should also research first, then purchase, unlike this idiot who has asked for advice, ignored it (even from experts) and then gone ahead and bought something innapropriately. The fact is, your argument could easily apply to domestic cattle, sheep, horses etc etc.Why did we domesticate anything at all? Does that justify by your logic that someone keeping a horse or cattle can do no research and keep the animal inappropriately? "Aww hell, they were all wild once, what's the harm it can do?"

Luckily for those animals, the laws are adequte to cover them even a little - a crying shame that "exotics" are often left languishing with often sub standard, dated laws that offer very little protection from the ignorant.

And on to the thread starter:

Yes, I mean to be aggressive with this post, I think you are a moron for buying a single Meerkat, and it shows your callous selfish nature - "I want, I want" rather than careful consideration. If you couldnt afford two or more at once, why not save up? A reservation can be remade - and I worry about any seller who would be angry for someone cancelling a reservation based on the welfare of the animal.

Its just typical of people who seem to think that keeping an exotic pet is some sort of show and tell parade to see who is the "most exotic". THE ANIMAL ALWAYS COMES FIRST. When you receive advice from an expert LISTEN to it, and don't just hear what you want to hear, for the animal's sake. Grrrr!

People like you are the reason I am becoming more and more anti in regards to owning any exotics. Its almost like some sort of sick competition to see who can own the most, or the most exotic of pets to somehow prove something (I have no idea what it proves other than ignorance).

Alarm bells were ringing when I noticed you can't seem to spell correctly, let alone construct coherent arguements and read simple directions when people did offer to help you. I feel bad for the Meerkat.

Finally - do you honestly belive that internet care sheets are sufficient? They can be written by anyone, I know, I have written some. The difference is, that I base mine on the work of world experts, whereas others are just gibberish collected from numerous mis-read and skimmed articles and other websites.
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Old 12-02-2008, 05:15 PM
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It is simple to achieve sutiable flight for birds, get a big enough aveiry to start with. I have a good 20 foot long one in my back garden gives them a decent flight. So by the meercat logic, If you cant provide a big enough aveiry for a good wing stretch any time they want then dont get the animal.

why is this still going on, she said she will get another, who are we to not trust her?
Read what I said, my birds get sufficient amount of exercise.
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Well i didnt say not to research an animal. It comes down to this she has brought it you can go one of 2 ways. Be agressive (which dosnt help anyone including yourself) and which will most likely be ignored. unfortunately this happens alot where somone buys somthing without research. Im just intrested in the reaction it got when hardly anyone here owns one, and when a snake is brought its not neerly as agressive.



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Why don't you research a subject first before posting utter nonsense. Yes, dogs were domesticated from wild dogs, but let's examine something here shall we:

Currently there are thousands of breeds of dog, some purposely selected over thousands of generations for various traits such as hunting or guarding behaviours. They have been domesticated for a purpose, tens of thousands of years into our past for hunting and family needs.

Since then, of course we have altered their genetics -the wild dog, and domestic dog are quite far removed from one another, and simply are not a great comparison to having contempory Meerkats. You must also see that this early domestication was driven by neccessity for better hunting tools to ease life - the welfare was not neccessarily top of a families worries in glacial Britian.

Meerkats do not have the "benefit" of thousands of years living in groups with man. I am sure early dogs were forced to make some concessions when being "forced" into domestication by early man, but Meerkats have not had such an experience.They have existed in groups in the wild, and I have seen no evidence to suggest otherwise. Keeping them as a pet means that you should keep them in as close as possible to natural conditions.

You should also research first, then purchase, unlike this idiot who has asked for advice, ignored it (even from experts) and then gone ahead and bought something innapropriately. The fact is, your argument could easily apply to domestic cattle, sheep, horses etc etc.Why did we domesticate anything at all? Does that justify by your logic that someone keeping a horse or cattle can do no research and keep the animal inappropriately? "Aww hell, they were all wild once, what's the harm it can do?"

Luckily for those animals, the laws are adequte to cover them even a little - a crying shame that "exotics" are often left languishing with often sub standard, dated laws that offer very little protection from the ignorant.

And on to the thread starter:

Yes, I mean to be aggressive with this post, I think you are a moron for buying a single Meerkat, and it shows your callous selfish nature - "I want, I want" rather than careful consideration. If you couldnt afford two or more at once, why not save up? A reservation can be remade - and I worry about any seller who would be angry for someone cancelling a reservation based on the welfare of the animal.

Its just typical of people who seem to think that keeping an exotic pet is some sort of show and tell parade to see who is the "most exotic". THE ANIMAL ALWAYS COMES FIRST. When you receive advice from an expert LISTEN to it, and don't just hear what you want to hear, for the animal's sake. Grrrr!

People like you are the reason I am becoming more and more anti in regards to owning any exotics. Its almost like some sort of sick competition to see who can own the most, or the most exotic of pets to somehow prove something (I have no idea what it proves other than ignorance).

Alarm bells were ringing when I noticed you can't seem to spell correctly, let alone construct coherent arguements and read simple directions when people did offer to help you. I feel bad for the Meerkat.

Finally - do you honestly belive that internet care sheets are sufficient? They can be written by anyone, I know, I have written some. The difference is, that I base mine on the work of world experts, whereas others are just gibberish collected from numerous mis-read and skimmed articles and other websites.

Amen.
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Read what I said, my birds get sufficient amount of exercise.
How do you know what is a sufficant ammount of exercise? they should have a chance to exercise anytime they wish as with any animal.
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Well i didnt say not to research an animal. It comes down to this she has brought it you can go one of 2 ways. Be agressive (which dosnt help anyone including yourself) and which will most likely be ignored. unfortunately this happens alot where somone buys somthing without research. Im just intrested in the reaction it got when hardly anyone here owns one, and when a snake is brought its not neerly as agressive.



There is no need for agression, it will get you nowhere
Get off your high horse mate, he made a very good point.
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Old 12-02-2008, 05:20 PM
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How do you know what is a sufficant ammount of exercise? they should have a chance to exercise anytime they wish as with any animal.

What exactly is your point?
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