Tis a very crude way of displaying what politically amounts to 'Primates For Sale'.

But this is becoming more and more of a highlighted problem for us.

TSKA have had 16 cases this year presented to Nerys and myself from concerned keepers.

What the bloody hell are reptile shops, pet shops and the so on doing selling primates from the shop window for?

I am not even sorry for raising this as an issue and as much support as l am willing to support the retail trader, l simply can not tolerate this species being sold for a 'quick buck!'

If the moral ethics alone are not bad enough, let us look at what amounts to squallid conditions a lot of these primates are actually kept in.

Constantly l hear of urine sores, malnourishment , stress disorders, environmental and enclosure restrictions being present and worst of all, a complete and utter lack of knowledge by the actual seller - the retailer - so little friggin wonder that the new owners of many of these primates are so poorly advised on how to keep them!

With this 'enemy within status' being achieved by our own side, again l do understand why the opposition are campaigning against the prohibition of primates in the private market.

It is becoming apparent to me, as well as to the keepers who keep me informed of this practice, [more and more by reptile shops oddly enough], that there is seemingly very little respect - from the retail seller to the traffic buyers - on the species that they have for sale!

Shame to those retailers who carry on with this trading in primates, you are not kitted out to do so, yet you still persist in acquiring this species if and when you can - do you have no morals? Do you not care?

Primates are political, do you think you do the genuinely responsible private primate keeper justice, when you sell these poor animals in conditions that you would not keep your reptiles or other animals in?

I for one will only too easily accomadate any plans for condemning these 'illegal traders' for whilst you may well be officially licenced by your local authorities, you deserve to not only not sell this species, but more importantly - you are not deserving the rights to sell any species!

In my eyes, you are illegal traders, illegal primate sellers and you need to be shut down.

Rory Matier

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its absoloutly disgusting

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you say that it is not right to sell primates in petshops which i 100% agree with so please could you explain why you have supplied marmosets to pet shops as i find this hard to get my head around after reading your strong opinion! is that money is more powerfull than morrals?

I think you'll find Rory is perhaps one of the most moral keepers on here. If he had sold to a shop its because he HAD assessed them to make sure the primate was going to a place that would only sell to a well researched and knowledgable individual.

Only Rory can say if he did or didnt sell to a shop but in terms of making sure animals welfare to looked after Rorys up there.

Hi Bevis,

There may well be a difference in how you describe a sale into a 'pet shop' or in fact a sale to a pet shop owner..?

To which are you referring to?

I have sold primates to pet shop owners, yes l have.

Have l sold primates to pet shops for sale in the shops of the owners?

No.

Hope that clarifies.

R

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what do you think the petshop owners are going to do with them,i think your deludeing yourself m8

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do you not think pet shop owners keep animals themselves ever?

i know many pet shop owners who also have personal collections of animals... including exotics..

N

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i can personaly garantee that they were sold to a pet shop along with sugar gliders and other small furries.the reptile shop owner had the idea that selling exotic mammals was the way forward to make good money luckely he found out he was wrong after all the complaints and the constant sweet musky smell which he was not bargaining on. they were sold on and on and on and now at least there are a lot of people here in the south who can boast that they once kept marmosets. the animals themselves? no boasting there! are they still alive? are they still doing the rounds? have they hopefully settled down? but at least you had your asking price.
as for assesing the shop the pet shop owner traveled up north to pick them up himself so the dealer never set foot in the petshop!
and if filling in a questionair is a satisfactory way to assess a good approved keeper,i think theres something wrong there. my 6 year old could give you all the correct aswers does'nt mean she can keep them properly but i reckon theyed be alot better of than some places.

Hi Bevis,

I can only reiterate to you, that yes l have sold primates to pet shop owners for their collections, l can pull out six such keepers now to memory. The same as l have also sold for pet shop owners that also had primates in their collections. But the latter are in small numbers, for they purchase the primates to keep within their collections.

But that you make mention to the fact that 'you can personally guarantee that 'they' were sold into a shop with Sugar Gliders and other small furries' would have me at a disadvantage as to who you are referring to.

'The reptile shop owner had the idea that selling exotic animals was a way to making money......?'

The fact that the owner had to travel North, would signify that he/she was in the south, rather than the East to the West. TBH, l genuinely can not think of a 'reptile shop keeper' in the south that we have traded with, and that he/she in turn was to sell through his/her shop.

And as said l have had keepers whom also own pet shop licences that we have supplied primates to for their own primate collections.

In the last nine months we have in fact upped out vetting and as a result of this we do visit all sellers and also buyers premises.

Are you talking of a recent period of time?

R

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A shop not too far away from us was selling marmosets and set ups. The set up consisted of a hamster cage! The buyer was told that this cage would be adequate for the rest of the animals life!

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