ok it has really got me intrested why people are so against UGF and why some think that UGF are only good on small filters? the only things i wouldnt use UGF on are chiclids that dig (e.g Frontosa)

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way back when they first produced outside power filters the manufacturers wanted to kill u.g. filters because more money could be made on power filters..

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for the non enlightened...UGF??

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Mason

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http://masonexotics.co.uk/ourcollection.aspx

Locality Boas and Retics A Passion.

aaaaaah under gravel filters.

I dunno, i'm not a huge fish person, but sami did have around ten setup at her old house, some had UGF (yay!) and they worked fine, in fact I can remeber her getting annoyed when we broke on moving things about...cos it was a good un.

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Mason

1.0 of "Quixotic_Axotlotl"





http://masonexotics.co.uk/ourcollection.aspx

Locality Boas and Retics A Passion.

i use one with convict cichlids

i did have it planted at one time and it was still fine

1) They dont have as large or safe bacteria colonies.

2) Its easy to accidently kill off the bacteria and put the tank into a cycle, killing most of the fish.

3) They dont do as much turnover as other filters.

4) Surface movement? I think not.

Like somoene else said, its like using a tape player when you can use an iPod.

If they are so good, why does my LFS not sell hem because "They are crap"?

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i always used power heads to run them. serious flow and surface agitation. they are not perfect but what really is?... IMO, they are still valid and have their place in the hobby. i always used aquaclear powerheads.

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"Like somoene else said, its like using a tape player when you can use an iPod."


exactly... a tape player does it's job and all you need to do is hit play or reverse. effective, simple and dependible..... ever fix an ipod?... you can fix a tape player.....

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1) not true there proably have the best surface area and best bacteria of any filters, have you ever even used UGF or have a understanding on how they work??

2) the only way you will accdental kill off the bacteria is you decied to take all the gravel out and remove the tray!!!

3) do you mean gallons per hour?? i cant remember what UGF turnover is so i cant answer i'm shaw someone else will.

4) Undergravels DO have surace movement so again not true, and as Habu said you can add powerhead what have incredible water movement.

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Marineland Penguin Powerheads, Powerheads | Pet Solutions

click on them to see their performance. aquaclears have adjustible flow rates.... penguins are very good too.

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