Another RETF death.

[callum gohrisch]

awwwww sorry but the last soldier will c it though

[andaroo]

Originally Posted by Alex M

Sorry to hear this Andaroo.

Always good policy to give every new addition decent quarantine time, but i remember you saying you were quarantining each frog so you shouldn't have any worries for your last frog. One thing i will say, and i truly mean this in the nicest possible way, you did seem to be handling these guys alot, taking photos of them on your bed etc, and quietly i was a little concerned, i wanted to say something to you but didn't want to make you look an arse publically - i know how easily stressed this family of frogs get, especially new additions and it is so so important that they are not tampered with for the first few months (if at all) in order to let their bodies immune system catch up with the stresses of transportation and settling into a new home etc. You can have the most beautifully planted canopy style enclosure in the world for them and they can be a very easy species to manage, yet the same enclosure but with handling sessions etc and they'll rapidly deteriorate - that's all it takes sadly. Remember that many frogs carry virus's etc that will only become apparent when subjected to stressful situations, yes even all our apparently healthy looking ones. BUT the same frog never put in these situations may never let illness show as it only gets a hold of the frog when his immune system is lowered (commonly brought on by STRESS).

I've said it before and i'll say it again - Callidryas are a wonderful species to maintain, but at work i REFUSE to recommend them to beginners or people with relatively little amphibian experience, purely because beginners especially LOVE handling frogs. A delicate if not impossible species to maintain if regularly handled, a fairly durable hardy species if left to their own devices in the correct setup with zero handling.

Good luck with your next frogs - don't let this put you off Andaroo.
Al

The last time I handled them was for the pictures I took almost 3 weeks ago. I agree with what you are saying though and I shouldn't have bothered them so soon. I won't be getting these kind of frogs ever again. I'm glad I got pictures of them all though before they did die. And i certainly won't bother my remaining one with pictures and handling. Fingers crossed for chiquito if he survived the royal mail I hope he can survive this

[jack14]

so sorry to hear about this
all the best for the one you have left

[jennlovesfrogs]

oh no! so sorry Andaroo! they are very fragile little ones I only ever take pics when they are in their set up, never ever handle them, just not worth the risk. Definately a look at only frog, not at all like the whites which are much hardier. I don't handle any of my frogs, I personally think if you want a pet to handle get a dog. (which I did lol)

ps, this isn't a dig at anyone (please don't take it that way) just my own opinion.

[Alex M]

Originally Posted by andaroo

The last time I handled them was for the pictures I took almost 3 weeks ago. I agree with what you are saying though and I shouldn't have bothered them so soon. I won't be getting these kind of frogs ever again. I'm glad I got pictures of them all though before they did die. And i certainly won't bother my remaining one with pictures and handling. Fingers crossed for chiquito if he survived the royal mail I hope he can survive this

There is no need to give up on these frogs Andaroo, just understand that it's a fine line between success and failure with them - when you understand what makes them tick etc you'll have a far greater chance of succeeding. Also you should not give up because it's all a learning process - it's sad that it's at 2 frogs expense but we've all been there mate. I'm sure there are a few very experienced herptile keepers on this forum who have many years experience with a vast array of species, and hopefully not cockily i'd put myself in that category although i'm far from being expert (been around the things the whole 34 years of my life so i should hope i've learned something in this time), but we'll all say the same - if realistic, our knowledge of these animals is fairly infant really, i know everyday i learn lots of new things about them and the only way to do this is by experiencing things first hand, which you're doing. Don't give up, as Kates Bush once said.

Al

P.s, Google = Chinese whispers.

[bigeyedfrog]

Sorry man poor guys

[Ron Magpie]

Originally Posted by Alex M

There is no need to give up on these frogs Andaroo, just understand that it's a fine line between success and failure with them - when you understand what makes them tick etc you'll have a far greater chance of succeeding. Also you should not give up because it's all a learning process - it's sad that it's at 2 frogs expense but we've all been there mate. I'm sure there are a few very experienced herptile keepers on this forum who have many years experience with a vast array of species, and hopefully not cockily i'd put myself in that category although i'm far from being expert (been around the things the whole 34 years of my life so i should hope i've learned something in this time), but we'll all say the same - if realistic, our knowledge of these animals is fairly infant really, i know everyday i learn lots of new things about them and the only way to do this is by experiencing things first hand, which you're doing. Don't give up, as Kates Bush once said.


Al

P.s, Google = Chinese whispers.

You've got to respect someone who quotes Kate Bush!

[dombhoy]

Sorry hear to the bad news hope the remaining one has many a year in him.

[Young996]

Sorry to hear that Andaroo never nice losing one. I wouldn't give them up though, wait till summer again to get more and in that time you could build a cracking viv.

Cheers

[knighty]

sorry to here that mate. may be worth having Chytrid tests done on the remaining A.callidryas as this could be a cause.I already know of one reputable online supplier that has a bad case and has kept it quiet.