Just For Stu

[soundstounite]

Hey bro,mate I'm in awe of you getting to all the shows and the distances you cover ,so let that be said first mate your a bloody inspiration ,wish things were abit different here,but you know whats going on at the mo,,fingers crossed for abit of luck and i get to catch up next time.
Mike,i'm loving your little guys ,if i was allowed any more yellow tincs I'd be after these,i love regina,but i have a long standing commitment that you know of with some blue frogs to honour,or I'll be shot.

Mate i'm just slightly concearned over the size difference,I've never been other than honest with you mate,but Ive come across reports of larger tincs surpressing smaller ones to the extent that they "the little guys" never reach their full size so a note to be aware of mate,that i cannot back up with experiance , but, need to mention it as i think there might be merit to it. tincs are funny frogs they are touted as a beginners frogs but, i don't feel they are quite as straight forward as folks make out,so watch them like a hawk mate.
mike if my next batch of Attachis come good and the little guy i have going on makes it i will attempt something similar,maybe not so drastic a size difference ...i don't know yet...i'll see when it happens , just watch the hell out of them mate,they might just have to be kept separate for a while,beyond that tell me what you see bro it will help me no end make the right choices as this comes my way
superb frogs kiddo, 'grats
Stu

[Wolfenrook]

I'm with Stu, you are gonna need to keep an eye on those little guys, especially with Regina been a harder tinc anyway due to been very prone to stress.

The problem with keeping them separate though is that mature Regina absolutely hate been moved.

Ade

[frogman955]

Hi Stu
As you know from my PMs to you I fully appreciate your opinion and it is respected.
I have been keeping a close eye on them since putting them together and if truth be told all they are interested in is feeding on springtails in the leaf litter .
When I took that photo they had only been together for 5 minutes and you can probably see in it that the adult couldn`t care less.
The froglets are very energetic and strong so i`m sure they`ll be able to fend for themselves.
Damn it Stu you wouldn`t believe the size of the parents, giants come to mind.
And would you believe that the owner just taps on the glass and they come running to him ?
Also before adding them I stripped the viv apart and redesigned it while the adult was in there and he/she just sat in the coco hut and watched me.
This is planned as their new permanent home and my thoughts were to strip the viv and redo it so that it didn`t ressemble "home" to the adult and they would all be starting out afresh (see photo).
I also put in loads of leaf litter and springtails and woodlice which they are now chasing after.
A good helping of flies also helped take their minds off each other for a wee while.
Now, an observation that occurred on saturday which may surprise you.
As I have mentioned somewhere in the past I kept my Leuc froglets with the adult Regina because they always got on great and they were also company for it.
Lately i`ve noticed the Regina becoming shy and retreating into its shell and was always wondering why.
It would lie flat on its belly in the water dish or in a corner of the viv or just hide away, which is not what Reginas do.
So anyway I was thinking that just maybe I was going to lose it as it was also starting to thin out a bit, but it was also feeding well so I just had no idea what was going on.
Anyway on saturday I think I found the answer.
I just happened to look into the viv and in the back corner there was Reggie lying flat cowering in the corner and standing staring into its face was a Leuc froglet barely half its size.
It was like the wee bugger was trying to outstare Reggie and saying "go on make a move, I dare you"
Damn but was I shocked as i`ve never seen this attitude from a Leuc adult let alone a froglet.
Since removing ALL the froglets and rehousing them Reggie has now started jumping around has started coming back to life.
And like I said seems happy that there are finally more Reginas to keep him/her company.
I am keeping a very close watch all the same just in case, and so far no change.

Mike

[frogman955]

I hear you Ade.
I`m able to see them from where I sit and both myself and Julia have a look in when we pass the viv.
Being as it is next to the kitchen she is in and out of there all the time .

Mike

[soundstounite]

Originally Posted by frogman955

Hi Stu
As you know from my PMs to you I fully appreciate your opinion and it is respected.
I have been keeping a close eye on them since putting them together and if truth be told all they are interested in is feeding on springtails in the leaf litter .
When I took that photo they had only been together for 5 minutes and you can probably see in it that the adult couldn`t care less.
The froglets are very energetic and strong so i`m sure they`ll be able to fend for themselves.
Damn it Stu you wouldn`t believe the size of the parents, giants come to mind.
And would you believe that the owner just taps on the glass and they come running to him ?
Also before adding them I stripped the viv apart and redesigned it while the adult was in there and he/she just sat in the coco hut and watched me.
This is planned as their new permanent home and my thoughts were to strip the viv and redo it so that it didn`t ressemble "home" to the adult and they would all be starting out afresh (see photo).
I also put in loads of leaf litter and springtails and woodlice which they are now chasing after.
A good helping of flies also helped take their minds off each other for a wee while.
Now, an observation that occurred on saturday which may surprise you.
As I have mentioned somewhere in the past I kept my Leuc froglets with the adult Regina because they always got on great and they were also company for it.
Lately i`ve noticed the Regina becoming shy and retreating into its shell and was always wondering why.
It would lie flat on its belly in the water dish or in a corner of the viv or just hide away, which is not what Reginas do.
So anyway I was thinking that just maybe I was going to lose it as it was also starting to thin out a bit, but it was also feeding well so I just had no idea what was going on.
Anyway on saturday I think I found the answer.
I just happened to look into the viv and in the back corner there was Reggie lying flat cowering in the corner and standing staring into its face was a Leuc froglet barely half its size.
It was like the wee bugger was trying to outstare Reggie and saying "go on make a move, I dare you"
Damn but was I shocked as i`ve never seen this attitude from a Leuc adult let alone a froglet.
Since removing ALL the froglets and rehousing them Reggie has now started jumping around has started coming back to life.
And like I said seems happy that there are finally more Reginas to keep him/her company.
I am keeping a very close watch all the same just in case, and so far no change.

Mike

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Mike,i'm glad you took my post...(without experiance which is very important) in the spirit it was intended,honestly i could have done that so easily via Pm we talk all the time i deliberately chose not to others will learn much from this,there are generalisations we can tag each species with ,but we are also dealing with individuals,the secret is what you have graphically illustrated is watching the hell out of your frogs and reacting....well that's my humble opinion and i'll probably stay with that until i'm in a box 6 foot under,there is very little anyone will say to me now that will convince me otherwise...too many years with too many animals.
in a way i'm equally gobsmacked about a little leuc bullying a bigger regina ,but contra to that i'm also not really surprised,Ade's posts and much other stuff I have come across about tincs,says that they can tricky,I'm more than a bit sure that we would have lost one ourselves but for timely intervention governed by that watching phylosophy.
having some Wc tincs myself and seeing how they react to me and Shaz and a simple tap to show where i have just chucked a single escaped ff,means i fully believe what you have said about the parents coming to their owner mate,ours respond to our voices aswell you can see it the can't see all of us so back away as they don't know whom it is,talk to 'em they turn and come towards us.
So i too respect your judgement of what your seeing,it deeply fascinates me all this,observation stuff,if there is a single factor that sets apart a guy that rears animals and a guy that doesn't, it's my view is that it is this,my thoughts of watch em like a hawk,react!! still stand ,but i think you have this in hand mike. I also think that the distraction of lots of grub not too easily won might be a big player in your success here,lmao untill they all grow up and they are all the same sex hey mate hmm thats just happened to someone we both know hey mate,namely me with 2 male citronella,bloody tincs huh!!!!!
Stu

[frogman955]

Well Stu right now Reggie is sitting on top of the leaf litter and has no idea that right below is one of the froglets but a few leafs under .
I have a wee advantage over you maybe in that if my trio turn out all the same the breeder of them lives only an hours drive from here so i`d be able to pick up another very easily.
I just have a long wait now till the viv starts growing in and it stops looking so bland.
Hopefully it won`t be too long.
My thoughts are the same on posting here to share what we find as its all helpfull.
At least i`ve learnt one thing out of this.
Leucs can be as nasty as the rest if given the chance, but I won`t let it happen again.
The funny thing is that the last lot of froglets in there we`re so damn friendly.
Oh well lessons learnt lol.

Mike

[Wolfenrook]

Oh I'd believe you bud! My adult Regina are MASSIVE frogs, and stupidly bold! I had to shove one away from the door once when trying to get in there with a pot of flies! I reckon this photo says it all really:-



Ade

[frogman955]

Haha a fatty.
I like fatties
BUT, I must point out that it applies to frogs ONLY
Hopefully i`ll have my trio like that soon.
Actually Ade, I was blowing some springtails into the viv just before lights out and Reggie was sitting right next to the door watching me and didn`t bat an eyelid.
Same as when I was ripping the viv apart earlier and he/she just sat in the coco hut watching intently as I destroyed the place.
Prior to that Reggie had moved to the rear of the viv and I actually placed the hut over the top to give a secure feeling while I did the nasty deed.
It obviously worked.

Mike

[frogman955]

Well what can I say ?
I`ve just had some eggs off my new female Cauchero which I got at the Morpeth show .
They are where I can easily keep an eye on them so if I can get a decent photo i`ll post one.
I wish i`d realised why they were so quiet as I could have got a video of them doing it.

Mike

[Wolfenrook]

Brilliant, fingers crossed she transports for you. I watched my cristobals lay their last brood, it's cool but I didn't at first realise what I was seeing. lol

Ade