Dendrobates tinctorious azureus info as adults

[wilko92]

Hi all i've just roughly measured my frogs (they was on the glass) they measure to be about 3.5CM i've read they grow between 3-4.5cm, does this mean there adults? or will they be full size before they mature, also do they do a mating dance or anything like that, i brought two unsexed so i have to look out see if a male is calling.. if i dont have a male would i have to get rid of one female? as they have been brought up together will they not fight? or is it a must to get rid of the one? really just after abit of information about them as adults and matureing, also breeding (what to look out for etc..) Many thanks in advance!

[Robert Manrique]

Well mine are about that size and maybe larger, I have a 2:1 trio that breed nearly every week, the only courtship I see is that they follow each other around the viv. No calling from mine, they just seem to get on with it without foreplay

[soundstounite]

Rob.OMG she doesn't even stroke him,throw the witch out dude,actually there could be a relevence to their colour,which doesn't apply to other tincs
I'll get my coat
hope the kids are well mate
Stu
Ps I'm off to have alook at the american civil war which is still ongoing,i kid you not

[frogman955]

Wilco you can`t go on size to determine if they are adults.
They will be old enough to start breeding at around 15 months old.
To hear a male calling you`ll have to be near the viv as it`s an extremely quite call, unlike most other frogs.
It wont` matter if they`ve been brought up together.
If they are male and female they`ll get it on when THEY are ready.
If they are 2 males they`ll have a fight or 2.
If they are 2 females then look out for blood and maybe worse.

Mike

[wilko92]

Originally Posted by Robert Manrique

Well mine are about that size and maybe larger, I have a 2:1 trio that breed nearly every week, the only courtship I see is that they follow each other around the viv. No calling from mine, they just seem to get on with it without foreplay

Oh right! haha! will i have a coconut hut ontop of a water dish with about 5mm of water in it! i guess ill have to keep my on on that

Originally Posted by frogman955

Wilco you can`t go on size to determine if they are adults.
They will be old enough to start breeding at around 15 months old.
To hear a male calling you`ll have to be near the viv as it`s an extremely quite call, unlike most other frogs.
It wont` matter if they`ve been brought up together.
If they are male and female they`ll get it on when THEY are ready.
If they are 2 males they`ll have a fight or 2.
If they are 2 females then look out for blood and maybe worse.

Mike

Yeh, i was aware of the fighting, but thought maybe siblings wouldent? but thats for clearing that up. Why im going by the size, im not 100% sure how old they are, i think they are around 7 months out of water but like i mentioned not too sure! and yeh, ive seen youtube vids of the call, it is very quite, both frogs seem to follow each other around (dont know if this is mateing actions or just company) and there has been no fighting or anything like that... Cheers for the info!

[Robert Manrique]

Think mine are at it again today both snuggled in the hut together, if so they have laid every 4 days this last 2 weeks, and not small clutches either upto 6!

[soundstounite]

Hi Paul,mate there are possibly benefits,to your frogs breeding later rather than sooner,I've come across thoughts that keeping sexes separate can lead to tincs especially reaching a larger size.What is important at present is you feed them real well, but don't get them too fat and enjoy the hell out of them,,which i know you are.
Mate i've come across this theory that female tincs reared together can stay together before many times,so slightly disagreeing with Mike,not totally though because i have not seen it in person and know not what the time frames are.I'd possibly tackle this situation like this,i possibly have 2 female tincs,if one decides she hates the other,then i must be in a position to split them!!
I get real aggression in the leucs and the female superblues oh and recently the mystie females,but its never seems to be protracted,they fight forget about it and carry on as if nothing has happened. this is utterly different to a one on one constant hounding that female tincs are capable of,which will lead to the demise of the weaker,as she cannot get away from the "bully",in a viv.
So watch them and enjoy them mate,but if things get nasty then be prepared . Much of keeping breeding groups of darts seems to be about this aggression and levels of it,in some cases the friction seems to benefit breeding results,in others it can lead to the death of an individual,our job is to monitor it and make the right moves at the right time. All these frogs are individuals they don't know of the rules we put on them.these guidelines to their care ,the big thing is too look hard and react.
Paul this is what i do with all the animals I've cared for,i used to work with rare breeds of poultry on a huge scale,absolutely everyone will tell you you can't have more than one male in a breeding pen,but i kept prs of males in many and got extraordinary breeding results, and little male on male aggression the parallel is that those prs of males could never ever be split up,they were reared together and stayed together,split them and that was the end of it,it might be the same with tinc females in ten yrs time i might say the above is cobblers and Mike is bang on the money,i simply don't know yet,but feel it is worth putting out there
buddy male tinc calls are quiet we often here our males calling just around lights out,late evening,idon't know whether this might apply to others as well but worth,mentioning as you might pin a male down at this time of day if your listening for it
Stu

[frogfreak]

I've seen multiple pairs in a viv and they were brought up together. He had no serious aggression issues, but be prepared. It can happen.

Cheers

[wilko92]

Originally Posted by soundstounite

Hi Paul,mate there are possibly benefits,to your frogs breeding later rather than sooner,I've come across thoughts that keeping sexes separate can lead to tincs especially reaching a larger size.What is important at present is you feed them real well, but don't get them too fat and enjoy the hell out of them,,which i know you are.
Mate i've come across this theory that female tincs reared together can stay together before many times,so slightly disagreeing with Mike,not totally though because i have not seen it in person and know not what the time frames are.I'd possibly tackle this situation like this,i possibly have 2 female tincs,if one decides she hates the other,then i must be in a position to split them!!
I get real aggression in the leucs and the female superblues oh and recently the mystie females,but its never seems to be protracted,they fight forget about it and carry on as if nothing has happened. this is utterly different to a one on one constant hounding that female tincs are capable of,which will lead to the demise of the weaker,as she cannot get away from the "bully",in a viv.
So watch them and enjoy them mate,but if things get nasty then be prepared . Much of keeping breeding groups of darts seems to be about this aggression and levels of it,in some cases the friction seems to benefit breeding results,in others it can lead to the death of an individual,our job is to monitor it and make the right moves at the right time. All these frogs are individuals they don't know of the rules we put on them.these guidelines to their care ,the big thing is too look hard and react.
Paul this is what i do with all the animals I've cared for,i used to work with rare breeds of poultry on a huge scale,absolutely everyone will tell you you can't have more than one male in a breeding pen,but i kept prs of males in many and got extraordinary breeding results, and little male on male aggression the parallel is that those prs of males could never ever be split up,they were reared together and stayed together,split them and that was the end of it,it might be the same with tinc females in ten yrs time i might say the above is cobblers and Mike is bang on the money,i simply don't know yet,but feel it is worth putting out there
buddy male tinc calls are quiet we often here our males calling just around lights out,late evening,idon't know whether this might apply to others as well but worth,mentioning as you might pin a male down at this time of day if your listening for it
Stu

Well stu, thanks ALOT for that info there in one that likes to be high, which ive read is a male charasitics but as you said, there all different i went down to dart frog today, to pick up some fruit flys and spring tails (had a disaster with making my own culter mix) any way i seen some adults there, and they are a fair amount bigger then my ones.. so im not rushhing into anything, and just take it easy although... im dead excited to reering tadpoles i dont know why.. i just think its fasenating watching them grow and reer them onto froglets but learn about the frogs first again cheers stu apprechiate all the effort you've put in for me haha

Originally Posted by frogfreak

I've seen multiple pairs in a viv and they were brought up together. He had no serious aggression issues, but be prepared. It can happen.

Cheers

Yeh, i mean if i have to split.. that just means two pairs of azures.. that cant be a bad thing.. the gf might say other wise though

[soundstounite]

Originally Posted by wilko92

Well stu, thanks ALOT for that info there in one that likes to be high, which ive read is a male charasitics but as you said, there all different i went down to dart frog today, to pick up some fruit flys and spring tails (had a disaster with making my own culter mix) any way i seen some adults there, and they are a fair amount bigger then my ones.. so im not rushhing into anything, and just take it easy although... im dead excited to reering tadpoles i dont know why.. i just think its fasenating watching them grow and reer them onto froglets but learn about the frogs first again cheers stu apprechiate all the effort you've put in for me haha

Yeh, i mean if i have to split.. that just means two pairs of azures.. that cant be a bad thing.. the gf might say other wise though

Mate thats the great thing about dart guys,even if they live far apart they tend to help each other passing the bit they've learnt on to the next guy,I'm not really doing anything different,than to what folks have done for us,the best thing is its the frogs that benefit,from all this .
so your bloody welcome mate
Stu