Suspention incubation method...

[Savanna]

Well in all honesty a lot of what we buy and use could be made at home. BUT by the time you add in 2xheat mats other kit and time its doesn't always work out that much cheaper.

I'd like to see a container that could take a good royal clutch. The fishtank method described earlier is one I have used for CWD eggs in the past with a very good hatch rate as long as the water is not too deep and there is wood for them to climb out.

[Gregg M]

Originally Posted by Savanna

I'd like to see a container that could take a good royal clutch.

Already being designed... We will have blueprints ready soon and we will be going into production... Should be ready by December/January...

[Ssthisto]

Originally Posted by messengermatt

If you have to modify it then its not fit for purpose, thats called the sale of goods act

And the Sale of Goods Act probably doesn't apply to GreggM seeing as he's an American selling goods in America (and possibly Hamm).

You don't HAVE to modify this tub for it to work - but you CAN modify it for your own purposes, just as I have, say, modified Really Useful Boxes to use them for reptile keeping. I can't sue the Really Useful Products company for not telling me how to punch holes in their boxes if I want holes in them. If you want to use fine nylon mesh to ensure your babies' feet don't slip into the holes, try stretching a length of stocking over the mesh insert.

Now, I would like to see the larger box when it's produced, and I'd like to know how this smaller box works with, say, a CLUMP of corn snake eggs; can it manage them if the eggs are in a clump and can't be separated without damaging the eggs? How tall is the space between the grating and the lid of the box?

[boipevassu]

OK, firstly some GCSE Science. Sorry!

If you repeat an experiment a large enough number of times and the same thing, good or bad, happens every time, the result is 'reliable'. We then tend to believe it will happen the next time we do it (in those exact controlled conditions). And we can test it and grow a data base.

People doubting this product obviously do not have to buy it. Others can wait for the data - and if they try the product, post their own data to the website or the forums.

Theorising before the fact is what scientists used to do. Now strong reliable data is everything. The product has been tested to some extent and so far it appears to be functioning well. We are seeing the results of their preliminary experiments and they look good. We don't necessarily know if they are scientifically reliable (yet).

Anyone getting high or even 100% hatch rates might not choose to use this. Those currently experiencing losses incubating eggs or lower success rates might be convinced.

There are a huge number of reptiles being bred currently so the data should relate to individual species; could compare incubation times; would have to look at the long term issues (long term mortality) and might have to include probes for oxygen and carbon dioxide near the eggs - under current and new incubating conditions - unless this data already exists. Those claims about gas exchange need validating if they are to be made.

A wide ranging and well repeated set of data would be compelling.

However if you are not feeling 'Brainiac' - (a reply to) their website could simply include incubation conditions, incubation period achieved and hatch success as a percentage. That way we can share data and make informed choices.

For me, ideas like this should certainly not be discounted out of hand and if larger breeders are prepared to test them we can at least look at the results.

As for the argument about building your own and sizes. That's completely up to the individual, but surely should not be overstated here, since to be able to buy a solution is often the quickest and easiest answer. I am often prepared to pay for the convenience. If the plastic being used here can be kept reasonably sterile the work has been done for us. If larger versions are also proven to work well later, even better.

Gregg M - posting a web address, to show data, with links or references to some of the science behind this kind of incubation (gas exchange ideas etc) would be a huge benefit here. Good luck with it. If it works it will certainly sell - and I'd be interested in giving it a go after seeing the data.

[Gregg M]

Ssthisto and boipevassu,
Thankyou both for the reply...

Ssthisto,
the rods to keep eggs in place are not only fully adjustable to fit just about any egg size, but they are fully removable so clumped clutches can be placed directly on the grid...

boipevassu,
Our website will be up and running shortly... Some of our data will go up on the site and every stitch of data from other breeders large and small will also go up as it comes in... We will compile this data along with the species, pics of the species hatching, the exact conditions and the breeder who gave the data plus a link to their website will be added...

Thanks again fot your replies...

[Gregg M]

We happy to announce that we now have an Australian distributer... For anyone in Australia, this will be the person to contact for containers...
http://www.carpetpythons.com.au/index.ews

[marcgroovyge]

Originally Posted by Gregg M

Already being designed... We will have blueprints ready soon and we will be going into production... Should be ready by December/January...

You done the blue prints for leos yet?

[Gregg M]

Originally Posted by marcgroovyge

You done the blue prints for leos yet?

This container is PERFECTLY siuted for incubation of leopard gecko eggs... Again, there is no issue with the grid and the size of leopard gecko feet... No broken bones...

There have been dozens of leos hatched in the container already... Not sure why you are trying to make an issue out of something that has already proven to be a non-issue...

You should really learn more about this container and gain some experience breeding and incubating eggs before you say anything more...

There are well over a hundred breeders using this product already... From small scale breeders to the largest in the United States... I would say about 30% or more are being used by leopard gecko breeders...

We also have 2 reptile parks using our container...

We also have people in other Countries looking to distribute this product in their Country...

Our Astralian distributer is a well known python breeder who has co-authored books on keeping and breeding of pythons...

Your one or two seasons of breeding geckos DOES NOT qualify you as an authority on egg incubation or our Supension Incubation Container... You are a novice breeder who obviously can not comprehend the workings of this container... And certainly your knowledge and your one or two seasons of breeding geckos can not compare to that of the large breeders (that have been doing this longer than some of us are alive) who are using it...

I have tried to educate you on the product but all you can do is try and find fault that does not exist... Reaching for straws and making up scenarios that never happend is not the way to argue a point or get educated...

[marcgroovyge]

No need to be so rude! It was a simple question which you have blown out of the water.

As this product is basically a prototype I feel that you should be taking any comments on board and think 'hmm maybe we could alter this'. NOT slagging peoples experiences with reptiles off.

You have even childishly gone out of you way to post on a thread and have a dig at our 'knowledge'.

To be fair I have been trying to make you aware of a possible issue here, yet you never quite caught on. At the end of the day the thread was made to see what people thought. So why are you being such an amoeba and arguing with anyone who gives a negative response?

[Gregg M]

Remember this???

Originally Posted by marcgroovyge

Okay I am going to tell you this one last time. I MY opinion, YOUR lil over priced cheap looking egg box is a HEALTH hazard and complete shite!

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Originally Posted by marcgroovyge

No need to be so rude! It was a simple question which you have blown out of the water.

Not being rude... I was just stating the obvious that you and the others at Ace Reptiles are inexperienced novice keepers trying to make a name for yourselves... Do you think for a second I am the only one who caught on to this fact??? And it was not a simple question blown out of the water... You have repeated the same remarks that it is not good for leos and other small reptiles even after I have told you over and over again that plenty of leos have been hatched on the container without issue and we have hatched even smaller species without issue...

Originally Posted by marcgroovyge

As this product is basically a prototype I feel that you should be taking any comments on board and think 'hmm maybe we could alter this'. NOT slagging peoples experiences with reptiles off.

Again you lack of understanding is very apparent... IT IS NOT A PROTOTYPE!!! We tested the prototype 2 years prior to producing the final design...

Again, I was just stating the obvious, not "slagging"...

Originally Posted by marcgroovyge

To be fair I have been trying to make you aware of a possible issue here, yet you never quite caught on.

And as I have already explained in detail, your made up scenarios are not an issue, yet you keep on trying to say there are health issues involved with this product... Again, you are talking like you have seen these thing happen in this container but you have never used it... You have not even hatched enough animals with your method to even have a leg to stand on when it comes to an argument against the use of this product...

Originally Posted by marcgroovyge

At the end of the day the thread was made to see what people thought.

Yes, to see what people thought... Not to have a gaggle of novice keepers talk about the product in a negative fasion when they.....
1- Have never used the container or an incubation method even similar.
2- Have maybe one or two seasons of breeding geckos.

Your arguments against the container hold no water... This product has been tested and proven to work without causing any harm to the animals incubated in it... None of the animals hatched in this container have had any health issues... All eggs incubated have hatched 100% and all neonates are super healthy and thriving...

If you think about it, why would two regular guys who breed reptiles spend time and A LOT of money to have a design like this patented and produced and sell it at a retail price where we are barely making money, if it did not really work???

Seems like a lot to do in order to get a product out on the market that does not work or causes injury to hatchlings... Does it not???

Originally Posted by marcgroovyge

So why are you being such an amoeba and arguing with anyone who gives a negative response?

So, it is ok for people to make up scenarios and issues that are nonexistant in this product, but I can not defend a product that we put our blood, sweat, and hard work into??? Get real...