Suspention incubation method...

[Gregg M]

Originally Posted by snickers

> The 5mm square holes allow the proper amount of humidity and water
> vapor into the egg chamber above the grid line

You have made some big claims about your incubation method. can you substantiate these claims with independant peer reviewed research? If you can't and I have to believe what you say - well you would say that wouldn't you - you are trying to sell stuff.

Not making big claims... Just stating fact that have been proven before us and are being proven by us... Like I have said NUMEROUS times in this thread, there are MANY BREEDERS WORKING WITH THE SIM CONTAINER!!!All of the data will be put on our site as it comes in... The data will be coming from the best and biggest breeders in the US and some from over seas...

Originally Posted by snickers

I've been looking at substrateless incubation for a while now, but nothing you have said makes me want to buy your particular product. I'm not against it, but on principle I tend not to believe much a salesman says unless it can be independantly proven in some way. You sell a lot more if you can persuade the sceptics.

All I can say to that is, if you are a sceptic, try it out yourself... It is affordable enough... And you will certainly not lie to yourself, would you??? Or you can just wait for the data and reviews from other breeders big and small to start rolling in...

The thing is, John and myself are not salesmen... We are two keepers who saw problems with conventional incubation methods and wanted to come out with a product to help ourselves and other breeders better our hatching success... Sure we are looking to sell these, but with the hard work behind it, would it not be deserved???

You can look us up on many forums... We are both well known in the hobby... Not for this new product, but for the many years of breeding reptiles from geckos to gaboon vipers... We are not a corperate group trying to make millions... We are actual keepers and breeders... Seriously, ask around the different US forums... My name is Gregg Madden and my partners name is John Adragna...

So far, in all of our testing, it has been 100%... Its the same for anyone who has used it so far as well...

[Kev132]

i offered to have everyone who wanted one shipped to my place, and id re distribute them to everyone and we could all share the shipping cost, the answer was id have to buy 500, and sell them on myself, sorry guys, but no way am i taking that gamble...

im not a business man, just looking to help us all out who want to try the product out over here, its alright saying if your sceptical try it, but we cant even get it to try it !!!

[shropshire-vivs]

Shipping is a lot as we keep hearing. This thing is plasctic though and my experience with plastic is this................... It doesnt weigh much!

I would possibly of been interested for next year but cant be bothered with the hassle, took ages for a product price, now naming a shipping price is being quoted as 'a lot', imagine the hassle of actually paying and receiving the product!

[Sarah-Jayne]

Yeah shipping from the USA isn't really as expensive as you think it is, unless you want to post something heavy of course. Something light like that will only cost a few $'s, and yes I have had experience with the US postal system when I have been over there posting stuff home cos it wouldn't fit in my suitcase LOL

[Gregg M]

Originally Posted by shropshire-vivs

I would possibly of been interested for next year but cant be bothered with the hassle, took ages for a product price, now naming a shipping price is being quoted as 'a lot', imagine the hassle of actually paying and receiving the product!

Thats a pretty blanket staement to make... We have a very good, unblemished reputation with hundreds of sales of live stock and products here in the US...

This is not an easy task for us... There is a lot of work getting shipping quotes... Plus, we have never exported single containers out of the States... It has been large orders thus far...

Anyway that whole drop ship thing from China was quoted because John obviously thought you wanted to distribute the product for us...

Anyway after a bit of searching we found the cheapest we can ship individual containers is for around $16 USD.... Not too bad actually...

Anyone who is interested in getting one or a few can contact me or go to the website... Squamata Concepts, LLC.

[Kev132]

Originally Posted by Gregg M

Thats a pretty blanket staement to make... We have a very good, unblemished reputation with hundreds of sales of live stock and products here in the US...

This is not an easy task for us... There is a lot of work getting shipping quotes... Plus, we have never exported single containers out of the States... It has been large orders thus far...

Anyway that whole drop ship thing from China was quoted because John obviously thought you wanted to distribute the product for us...

Anyway after a bit of searching we found the cheapest we can ship individual containers is for around $16 USD.... Not too bad actually...

Anyone who is interested in getting one or a few can contact me or go to the website... Squamata Concepts, LLC.

Thats fair enough, but if you knew what i meant, there's only 2 of you it cant be that had to communicate,

simply put, if say 30 of us of here want one, ship all 30 to me, ill mail them back out to the individuals and we can all share the postage as surelly it will be much cheaper that way ?, that was my suggestion..... did it not come accross that way ?

[Gregg M]

Another species hatched on the S.I.M.

Crested geckos... Hatched out today by my friend Eric Bristow

[mack-bell]

Originally Posted by snickers

> The 5mm square holes allow the proper amount of humidity and water
> vapor into the egg chamber above the grid line

You have made some big claims about your incubation method. can you substantiate these claims with independant peer reviewed research? If you can't and I have to believe what you say - well you would say that wouldn't you - you are trying to sell stuff.

I've been looking at substrateless incubation for a while now, but nothing you have said makes me want to buy your particular product. I'm not against it, but on principle I tend not to believe much a salesman says unless it can be independantly proven in some way. You sell a lot more if you can persuade the sceptics.

I had the SIM Containers with me at the Show. I was visiting Jeff Galewood in the USA its a friend of mine and we did the trip to the National Breeders Expo in Daytona where I picked up 6 of the SIMs.

I must say I had 2 left over. 2 Were for a friend 2 were for me (and they are right I have eggs in it including het Radar stuff so I trust the whole thing).

Their are now 4 person in Germany with a SIM testing it all will post results and no one of us has to do with the saleing of them so this is an independent statement

I couldn´t bring them on the table because all leftovers were sold the minute I did a thread on a German forum about the SIM.
Everyone thats interested can come around my table in Decembre and see the SIM in person I will move some eggs than into a substrate box for the show.

So far I haven´t hatched anything but no egg was supposed so far.

All I can say is I trust in the containers and I know guys liek Jeff Galewood are testing them right now, too.

Well time will tell the results I will post all my hatches.

thanks
Thorsten

[Gregg M]

Originally Posted by Kev132

Thats fair enough, but if you knew what i meant, there's only 2 of you it cant be that had to communicate,

simply put, if say 30 of us of here want one, ship all 30 to me, ill mail them back out to the individuals and we can all share the postage as surelly it will be much cheaper that way ?, that was my suggestion..... did it not come accross that way ?

Hello Kev,
I had told John he would be hearing from you... The thing is, we have a lot of emails with people wanting to distribute... I looked over your e mail to Jihn and it does look as if you wanted to distribute the product... You never said you wanted 30 or so... Simple miscommunication... No big deal...

Anyway, if you still want to go ahead, we will be happy to give you an nice little discount on individual container price with an order of 30 to help offset the shipping cost even more... John and myself really want you guys to have this product...

Thanks for the replies...

[snickers]

> All I can say to that is, if you are a sceptic, try it out yourself

> So far, in all of our testing, it has been 100%... Its the same for anyone
> who has used it so far as well...

You are now claiming that no egg in all the clutches ever put into your plastic gizmo has failed to hatch. I hope you can now understand where my scepticism comes from.

I will continue to look into substrateless incubation. I won't be buying your product anytime soon