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Come on guys dont waste your money on that crap! make your own, not much to it really lol and a lot less than what is cost to buy those
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It is also going to be used in a zoo in Costa Rica and in the Canary Islands... Surely not what one would expect from a crap product... What is obviously being missed here is the science behind this particular design and the fact that materials to try and duplicate this system will cost equal to or more than this product... Plus being that these are our original molds there is nothing available you can use to duplicate this product or its proper function... Sorry I have not been around for a while but we were getting prepared for the first public release of our product... There was a lot of hard work and time that went into this product, so it is not good to see someone call it crap especially when they have never seen the product in person, held it in their hands, or used it... If they did any of those, they certainly would not call it crap... If anyone here is going to the Hamm show, you will be able to see the product in person... Anyway, the public release of this product has been a great success so far... Thank you all for your comments and PMs... DATA is on the way...
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people are bound the see it and make their own you havent helped the situation by holding back on the price so long
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Also what is your statement of this system not being viable for certain species being based on??? Is it based on any factual data or is it based on something that someone said who has never used this system??? I never held back the price on the container... I simply did not talk price in the thread because it was not a classified ad... Anyone who PMed me got the price of the container right away... It really makes no difference on when or how the price was known because the product was not made available to the public before last weekend anyway... So what are you paying the 20 bucks for??? You are getting a proven method that will increase hatch rates and shorten incubation times... There is no making, building, or modification of any parts... You get everything you need in one package... You will no longer have to worry if your eggs are getting the right amount of humidity or not... The 20 bucks you spend gives you a really cool looking, well made product, that is fuctional and worry free... This container is very far from "crap"...
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shorten incubation times? i cant see how that works especially with leopard gecko eggs as the temps are used to determine sex like males hatch faster than females in an ideal world so it wouldnt bare any additional use.
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The increased oxygen that the egg takes in during incubation on these containers causes the embryo to form faster and allows it to develop fully before it hatches... The temperature during incubation is NOT the factor here... Here just one example... We tested Varanus tristis eggs... We have a female who lays 4 clutches a year.... The first and third clutches were incubated using the conventional method (eggs half burried in perlite)... We used a 50/50 ratio perlite to water at 86 dgrees f... Both clutches piped on day 99 and fully hatched on day 100... 3 neonates hatched with egg yolks in the first clutch and 2 had yolks in the third clutch... 2 hatchlings never made it out of the egg... The second and fourth clutches from the same female were incubated in the SIM container with the same water to perlite ratio and incubation temps... Both clutches piped at 89 days and fully hatched on day 90... 100% of the neonates hatched out without egg yolks... They were fully developed and stronger to start than the neonates from the first and third clutch... This is just one season from one of the many species tested against the traditional method... I can provide more data on other species if requested... Thanks for the questions and replies...
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I wouldnt want to rush any of my eggs to be honest, it comes across as this device basically rushes your eggs development so you get results faster but wait.......im pretty sure there are implications of rushing such things. personally i prefer to wait as it adds to the suspense.
Deformaties etc, and as leopard gecko eggs and others are laid into the earth in the wild why would we want to suspend them in mid air ? I really dont see how you can speed certain eggs up, a baby comes when its ready not when we are ready right ? Effectively this device would be pushing nature to its limits wouldnt it ?
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Hello,
I am the co-designer and producer of the S.I.M. Container and I have data for those who are interested. I keep 1.3 ackies, 1.1 tristis and a few other dwarf monitors. I also operate cybersalvator.com, the water monitor website. Ackies: 3 clutches incubated in the S.I.M. Container. Substrate for clutch #1= 50/50 perlite water by weight. Clutch #2= perlite mixed with water crystals, unmeasured. Clutch #3= drenched perlite squeezed out excess water. Clutch # 1 - Varanus acanthurus brachyurus- pipped 106 days Clutch # 2 - same species, different mother, same father- pipped 104 days Clutch # 3 - same species, different mother, same father- pipped 106 days At this temp, 86F, 1/2 buried clutches tend to go 115 days or more. My babies hatched fully developed and without a yolk sac or remnant of. Varanus tristis tristis: 4 clutches, clutch #1 and #3 = 1/2 buried in the substrate 50/ 50 perlite and water by weight. Clutch #2, #4- in S.I.M. Container with 50/50 perlite to water by weight. All eggs from all varanus species incubated at 86F. The eggs from clutch 2,4- pipped 89-90 days, hatched 90-91 days. Eggs in 1/2 buried in substrate pipped 99 days, hatched 100 days. 1st clutch had 3 babies had egg sac remnants, clutch #2, 2 babies had egg sac remnants. One baby from clutch #1, #3 failed to pip. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2631/...bdd2ea13_o.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2624/...e1dac1d2_o.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2613/...7e06988f_o.jpg Data shows eggs are pipping earlier than buried clutches and in shorter incubation time. This is likely due to the eggs absorbing Oxygen freely, without a barrier of CO2 surrounding the egg substrate. The babies are fully formed, with absorbed yolk in their fat round bellies. Buried clutches run the risk of too much water, too little water being absorbed, and excessive CO2 in the substrate. The S.I.M. is a safer incubation method overall. The squamataconcepts.com website will be up next week to handle orders and provide information. We can ship to Europe. We are adding a forum to the site in hopes you share your incubation experiences, and provide useful data. As of today, within the states, we have customers using this method on a variety of species, including heladerma, cyclura, and varanus, also, pythons, colubrids, and assorted turtles and tortoises. Once results are in, the customers can relay their data to the site users. Feel free to stop in and see for yourselves. A friend / customer just hatched green iguana eggs in this container today. Pictures will be up on the site. Thanks for your time, John Last edited by Johnantny; 30-08-2009 at 06:34 PM..
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Hey Guys, some interesting points being raised here, but I have a couple of things to add.
Temperature determines the metabolic rate of yolk and albumen utilization and hence embryo development during incubation, this has been shown on numerous occasions, although it has been suggested that temperature may have a divergent effect during the course of incubation with constant higher temperatures initially accelerating embryonic growth (and the subsequent utilization of nutrients and energy from yolk and albumen) but decreases embryonic growth later in development. My understanding of what you are saying is that later in incubation, metabolic processes are limited by the insufficient exchange of oxygen. However current experiments in birds have shown that increased 02 concentration has no effect on hatch time, or mortality. Obviously I am not naive enough to suggest that this means that reptiles will not show differences, but I would be very interested to see some of the papers you have based the product on. As for your data, it seems interesting. One thing I would suggest is to try and get as many independent replicates of the tests you have carried out for the same species, this will eventually allow you to do some simple (but effective) statistics which will hopefully give the product a boost. I'd be very interested to know the price (in the UK inc shipping etc...) if you wouldnt mind PMing me. Andy
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