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Old 04-08-2009, 04:48 AM
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Introducing the SIM Incubation Container by Squamata Concepts!!!
The S.I.M. stands for Suspension Incubation Method relating to how the eggs are incubated on a platform off the substrate.
This prohibits direct contact with a wet substrate and allows approximately 100% gas exchange between the container environment and the egg membrane.
Eggs incubated buried in dampened substrate are subjected to excess water which often results in drowning the egg(s). Also in contrast to this, too little water or humidity results in egg dessication.
So basically, the eggs stay dry, still getting the humidity they need to develope. Infact, the steady humidity and consistant retention of heat in these containers allows neonates to develope faster resulting in shortend incubation times... Clutches incubated in this container have all hatched earlier than expected. All neonates hatched fully developed without egg yolks.
The triangular bars that you see on top of the grid platform are the eggs stabilizer bars. The function of these bars is to keep eggs from rolling or being uprooted by clutch mates and they are fully adjustable to fit just about any egg size.



As you can see the SIM incubation containers are crystal clear. The idea behind them being so clear is so the eggs can be visually monitored without having to tamper with the container at all. One way to insure that your eggs will hatch is to set them in their proper incubation container put the container in a proper incubator and leave them alone...
The SIM was made with this very idea in mind...
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Old 06-08-2009, 01:09 AM
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great idea how much are these and from where ?
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Old 06-08-2009, 01:45 AM
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And how big are the tubs?
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Old 06-08-2009, 04:50 AM
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I agree that excess water in the substrate can drown any eggs. And, IMO, no substrate is the best way to incubate eggs from maternal incubators like royal pythons, green tree pythons, and others. But I would not use it for North American colubrids like corn snakes, king snakes, or bullsnakes which have eggs that are normally more or less buried in the wild. For these, actually measuring the amount of substrate and the amount of water and keeping to a 1:1 ratio by weight is the best way to avoid excess water.
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Old 07-08-2009, 04:12 AM
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I would not use it for North American colubrids like corn snakes, king snakes, or bullsnakes which have eggs that are normally more or less buried in the wild.
What is your base for this conclusion??? Have you had experience using this container to hatch North American colubrids???

Also remind me how snakes bury their eggs... Not sure what that statement has to do with this incubation method...

We have hatched several species of lizard (they actually bury their eggs) with a 100% hatch rate thus far... Not really sure where you were going with that post or where you are getting your captive incubation info from...

Anyway the containers are 8X7X4 1/2... Our company is based in the US but our containers are available world wide...
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Old 07-08-2009, 10:33 AM
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sounds good to me. How much are they???
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Old 07-08-2009, 11:17 AM
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Depending on which species of bird I was incubating my incubator conditions would be set up to accommodate their needs. Waterfowl eggs were still incubated in a hovbator with lots of water and an added container for hatching with manual turning. Parrots would be incubated in a fully automated incubator ie Curfew with humidity, turning and forced air all automated with humidity settings for each species programmed in. Amazons are horrific evaporators so needed higher humidity to maintain their 13% loss evenly over the incubation period, Greys and macaws on the other hand didn't have the same issues so had a lower humidity setting.

I have however incubated parrots in still air same as my fowl again adjusting humidity according to species for the whole incubator. My reptile eggs go on a substrate with a low water content just for something to hold them in place, I then adjust incubator humidity, the only failed hatches I've had were deformed young.

Please explain to me why you would need such a tray and how you separate eggs to get them in the tray in many cases you can pick up the whole clutch in one go due to sticking when laid?
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Old 07-08-2009, 11:23 AM
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id be interested in giving a couple a go... PM me with how much they are and who to get them from please...

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Old 07-08-2009, 12:00 PM
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8" x 7" x 4.5" is too small for a decent sized royal clutch... maybe you should make a larger version (12" x 8" x 7"), seeing as royals are the most popular snake on the planet...

also... why are you keeping quiet on the price???
surely, the way to sell these (or not), is to let potential customers know the cost...
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Old 07-08-2009, 12:31 PM
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8" x 7" x 4.5" is too small for a decent sized royal clutch... maybe you should make a larger version (12" x 8" x 7"), seeing as royals are the most popular snake on the planet...
I agree, you'd find it hard to fit more than a 3-4 egg clutch in that, and that's a squeeze!

Personally, I've made my own incubator using no substrate using 9L RUB's and egg crate to raise the eggs up. Works a treat, and costing £200 for everything, Fridge, Tubs, Heat Mats, Thermostats, Egg Crate.
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