Bob clark paperwork?

[macca 59]

Just curious as to how many people, have purchased snakes from Bob, be it direct or from his former uk distributor, Henry Batten and have never received any genetic paperwork.

We purchased a Het Pied Royal in 07, from Bob via Henry, after several e mails and pm's on RFUK, plus his own forum, last night as he was on the For Sale classifieds, sent a pm and email, no reply! So posted a thread asking if he could send the genetic paperwork for the Het Pied that we had purchased. This is his response after a year of trying;

Bob Clark
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Quote:
Originally Posted by macca 59
Bob you have email.


When the forums went down it took the email form from the website with it and I didn't realize it for a while. I can confirm that Henry bought hets from me but I don't know if those are the ones that you have.


So what is he saying? That Henry sold us a normal and kept the Het we paid for? Is he saying that Henry cheated us? Would he be saying this if Henry was still his UK distributor? I think not!

Just on this forum alone, we have seen other people, who have had their snakes handed to them from Bob himself and not received paperwork, so ones like us, were we have had to buy via someone, don't stand much of a chance.

We purchased 1.1 Royals and the Het Pied, which all came in on the same shipment from Bob, via Henry, we found him to be a very nice guy, who certainly had a better after sales service and attitude.

Before anyone says, that we didn't need to buy via anyone, we went through Henry because he dealt with Bob's snakes, based on the great reputation Bob has, for procuding good stock. NEVER AGAIN!

I would certainly never buy via again and even buying direct, when it comes to Hets, make sure the paperwork was with the snake, otherwise don't buy. As if you do decide to try and sell on, no paperwork (bill of sale, not worth the paper it's written on!) basically means you have to sell as POSS HET, lower price!

[Tops]

Henry was acting as a middle man and as such its not really fair for you to expect Bob to be able to say whether your snake is het or not.

If i bought a snake from someone else and sold it to you as a het would you go back to the person i bought it from and ask for proof? I doubt it, and if you did they wouldnt owe you anything.
Surely you should be chasing Henry for proof of hets if it was him you bought the snake from as opposed to buying directly yourself?

[macca 59]

We asked Henry at the time and Bob had told him he would send the paperwork over, this was missing not just on our Het, but other snakes too.

And yes, if you provided us with the original owner, we would contact them, as we have done with Bob for over a year. As I said, if Henry was still Bob's distributor, would he have said what he did?

The point of this thread, is to find out how many people have not received paperwork and also to warn others not to buy unless paperwork is present on purchase and not to rely on the seller or distributor to forward it on.

[oakelm]

You cant really ask bob for paperwork as he didnt sell to you directly, the snake you brought could indeed be a normal and bob would not be able to tell unless he took photos of every animal sold and a written record of unusual markings. If you want the paperwork then you would need to go back to henry who would in turn get the paperwork as he has any transaction id and records of the sale for the snake when brought from bob. But these days paperwork is really worth nothing as it can be easily faked. If you trust the guy that sold you the snake then there shouldnt be a problem.

I give paperwork with my hets just as a record but if someone other than the original buyer came back to me for a new copy I wouldnt deal with them as they could be claiming any animal is the one I sold.

If you really value the paperwork then never leave without it. Thats why a lot of people prefer to buy visuals a lot of the time and make there own hets so you know what your getting

[Caz]

I read Bobs reply and don't really know where you're coming from?

How the heck would Bob know if the snakes that were sold to you WERE from him? He can't say 100% can he?? At least he's half put your mind at rest by saying Henry bought Hets from him!

Paperwork also means NOTHING when not buying direct from the breeder (although there are many trustworthy people on here) as technically the seller could keep the pair of hets and sell you a pair of normals with paperwork couldn't they?

You purchased from Henry - your contract is with Henry and it is up to him to chase any paperwork; and up to you to chase Henry.

[Athravan]

Most USA breeders that I've spoken to don't give paperwork for hets. A het albino or a het pied is so cheap in the USA that it's practically the same as selling a normal anyway, so you buy from the breeder you trust.

If Bob did not deal with you direct you cannot expect him to give you any sort of paperwork. He did not put the snake in your hands. He does not know who sold what to who - he sold snakes to someone, that someone sold them to others. If he has no proof that you even bought one of his snakes, let alone which one, he might as well just writing blank paperwork to everyone, let them fill in their own details, photocopy it and move along, that's how much value it would have.

Were you told the snakes actually came with paperwork before you bought them?

I have never heard of Bob Clark paperwork with ANY animals - if this is not included and you were not told by Bob that paperwork would be included, why are you expecting to receive it?

If you were specifically told that paperwork was included you need to take it up with the person who told you. If this was Bob himself then fair enough, if this was Henry, then talk to him. If no one told you before the sale that paperwork was included you really should have asked. I've bought hets in the UK from big breeders that don't come with paperwork and hets in the USA from big breeders that don't come with paperwork. I don't understand the big deal - paperwork can be forged as easy as pie, so unless you trust the person you are buying directly from, it's all rather moot.

[snake5007]

Originally Posted by macca 59

Just curious as to how many people, have purchased snakes from Bob, be it direct or from his former uk distributor, Henry Batten and have never received any genetic paperwork.

We purchased a Het Pied Royal in 07, from Bob via Henry, after several e mails and pm's on RFUK, plus his own forum, last night as he was on the For Sale classifieds, sent a pm and email, no reply! So posted a thread asking if he could send the genetic paperwork for the Het Pied that we had purchased. This is his response after a year of trying;

Bob Clark
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Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Oklahoma, USA
Posts: 230
RFUKTrader: 0 / 0%



Quote:
Originally Posted by macca 59
Bob you have email.


When the forums went down it took the email form from the website with it and I didn't realize it for a while. I can confirm that Henry bought hets from me but I don't know if those are the ones that you have.


So what is he saying? That Henry sold us a normal and kept the Het we paid for? Is he saying that Henry cheated us? Would he be saying this if Henry was still his UK distributor? I think not!

Just on this forum alone, we have seen other people, who have had their snakes handed to them from Bob himself and not received paperwork, so ones like us, were we have had to buy via someone, don't stand much of a chance.

We purchased 1.1 Royals and the Het Pied, which all came in on the same shipment from Bob, via Henry, we found him to be a very nice guy, who certainly had a better after sales service and attitude.

Before anyone says, that we didn't need to buy via anyone, we went through Henry because he dealt with Bob's snakes, based on the great reputation Bob has, for procuding good stock. NEVER AGAIN!

I would certainly never buy via again and even buying direct, when it comes to Hets, make sure the paperwork was with the snake, otherwise don't buy. As if you do decide to try and sell on, no paperwork (bill of sale, not worth the paper it's written on!) basically means you have to sell as POSS HET, lower price!

Are these snakes breeding age? Have you attempted to prove them out? I can't really see the point of this thread if you haven't.

[macca 59]

Victoria_O
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On the other hand i have had plenty of snakes off Bob both through people and direct and all have come with genetic paperwork.

It would seem some do and some dont!

Vicki
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At the time they were purchased, Henry Batten was Bob's UK distributor, so I doubt very much that he would have passed on a normal for a het, they have a reputation to uphold.

As I said before, the reason for the thread, was to say to people, unless you have paperwork of genetics, you can never prove they are until you breed and even then there's a chance you won't get visuals. All I asked was how many people do/don't get paperwork!