BUYER BEWARE – Noah’s Ark Couriers/Jonnyboy/Craig Ford

[Meko]

Originally Posted by SnakeBreeder

Maybe because he presented himself as someone other than who he is
Noah's Ark appears to be one of several identaties he has been using.
You can't honestly split the two as seperate entities unless Noah's Ark is a registered business at companies house, which it appears it is not.

It appears the courier MAY NOT be DEFRA registered, when he advertises he is.
He may no be insured to carry the animals.
The animals appear to not be heated, when it is advertised they are heated.

All in all not someone you should trust to carrying your animals.

you don't actually need to register with Companies House unless you're a limited company.
I'm an IT contractor, currently using an umbrella company but considering going self employed. If i do go self employed i won't be registering with them as i won't be a limited company and therefore don't need to. He would need to register with the Inland Revenue though.

With the DEFRA that's something i mentioned earlier, until it's been confirmed he isn't registered there's still a chance he is.

[Onissarle]

Originally Posted by Meko

you don't actually need to register with Companies House unless you're a limited company.

You're absolutely right but it's ruined your own point. He is not registered with Companies House and therefore Noah's Ark Couriers is not a private limited company. That means he is operating as a sole trader... which means John IS Noah's Ark Couriers and the two are one inseperable entity.

IF it was an Ltd that he just happened to work for or be a share holder in, I'd be reporting him to them because any reputable business wouldn't want to get associated to his other activities. As it is, there is no such avenue because as everyone keeps explaining to you, John McCulley = Noah's Ark Couriers.

[Darlo_Gal]

Originally Posted by Meko

not at all..

just the way i look at it is that if this was a shop being named and shamed the thread would have been edited due to possible legal action.
People should be named and shamed for what they've done wrong, if the courier company hasn't done anything wrong it shouldn't be brought into it. If it has then it's a seperate entity.

you'll notice a new thread just below this one that because of all the bad publicity he's just lost a sale and one of his drivers has possibly lost a wage.

I have had no dealings with the courier company however after what happened with me and this 'Jonnyboy' I would not want to give him anymore of my money or entrust him with any animals. Had Ssthisto not made this thread explaining that he was also Noahs Ark I may have decided to use him as I didn't know he was one and the same person.
If you feel that he can be trusted as a courier company (or anyone else feels this way) then by all means use him no one is stopping anyone from this. I think the main point is if you went onto ebay or somewhere and you bought something expensive and say it arrives broke or totally different to the item you wanted...you leave bad feedback, lose your money ect then this person changes their account name and sells different items (so a different business in theory) would you give them your money again just on the off chance they are a different business and therefore to be trusted?

[SnakeBreeder]

Originally Posted by Onissarle

You're absolutely right but it's ruined your own point. He is not registered with Companies House and therefore Noah's Ark Couriers is not a private limited company. That means he is operating as a sole trader... which means John IS Noah's Ark Couriers and the two are one inseperable entity.

Exactly

[Onissarle]

Originally Posted by Meko

IF his Noah's Ark business is fully legit and he has all the correct paperwork, insurance etc etc then you could face slander and loss of business charges.. As T-Bo has already stated, he's had his access to all parts of the forum removed apart from Chat.

Libel, not slander, and that is only relevant if I say something that isn't true. I've not made anything up, merely explained his recent actions in public. What I've compiled is either from direct personal experience or first hand accounts from other people that have dealt with him.

Yes, he still has access to Classified Chat and has been online repeatedly since this thread was posted but has made no attempt to refute any of the points raised or produced proof of his DEFRA license or insurance. Note, I never said he didn't have it, I said he seems to have suddenly become a courier very quickly considering he had already booked runs with another courier that he cancelled to deliver himself.

I told people to ask for proof of the DEFRA license if they intend to use him. He either does not have the relevant documents or he deliberately lied to another courier service to obtain preferential rates through deception. They are mutually exclusive and one of them has to be true. Either way, he's not being truthful or ethical in his business practices relating to courier services.

I know I wouldn't trust someone to courier my animals if they had no moral qualms about screwing over a courier themselves.

[Meko]

Originally Posted by Onissarle

You're absolutely right but it's ruined your own point. He is not registered with Companies House and therefore Noah's Ark Couriers is not a private limited company. That means he is operating as a sole trader... which means John IS Noah's Ark Couriers and the two are one inseperable entity.

how's it ruined my own post? i haven't denied that they're not the same people just that the courier side doesn't have to be related to the unscrupulous sale of snakes.
I definately wouldn't buy a snake off him but if he received glowing feedback as a courier i'm not 100% sure if his other dealings would put me off using him as a courier.

[Meko]

Originally Posted by Onissarle

Libel, not slander,

but you understood the point i was making..

or produced proof of his DEFRA license or insurance. Note, I never said he didn't have it, I said he seems to have suddenly become a courier very quickly considering he had already booked runs with another courier that he cancelled to deliver himself.

to be fair i never said who accused him of not having it just that the fact was brought into the equation.

I told people to ask for proof of the DEFRA license if they intend to use him. He either does not have the relevant documents or he deliberately lied to another courier service to obtain preferential rates through deception. They are mutually exclusive and one of them has to be true. Either way, he's not being truthful or ethical in his business practices relating to courier services.

i don't disagree at all but it's all a case of maybe's at the minute.
I've got no idea who the bloke is and not trying to defend him, just staying on the side of 'fair' regarding the 2 sides of his business. There's a very good chance he doesn't have the required DEFRA licenses and insurance etc, but there's also a chance he does have them.

[jimmus]

Thanks for this post and subsequent discussion.

I have a deposit on a couple of snakes along with another RFUK member we decided to use Noahs ARK Couriers for delivery. I have been in email contact with Noahs Ark and we have agreed upon a delivery date, I have yet to send any money to Noahs Ark. Fortunately due to circumstances it was not feasible for me to take on the snakes until next month, seller has agreed to hold them and Noahs Ark have agreed to deliver them next month. I will not be using Noahs Ark now, so it looks like I have had a lucky escape although it does put me in a difficult position, have to find a courier in the next week or so!!

I personally found Noahs Ark pretty reasonable via email convo but I guess it's not worth the risk of your animals either not turning up or turning up cold and in bad condition etc.

Thanks for alerting the community, and the advice regarding the DEFRA licence I will definately use infuture.

Cheers
Jim

[OrigamiB]

I think I part agree with Meko in this......

We've either ended Noahs Ark before they con someone OR we've put a pefectly good and legitimate company out of business for good....

Its a shame we'll never know now though....

[LiamRatSnake]

Who in the right mind would use a company run by a man who treats animals so horrifically? It's very important that the company has been associated with this man, as if he's the one delivering them then you're entrusting your animals with someone who clearly cannot/does not care for theirs, and that's irresponsible in my opinion. The fact that this man is delivering his animals with his company it's perfectly understandable to put these problems together in the same thread. This isn't about one problem, IE the weights of the snakes, this thread is about a person and the scams he is involved in.