BUYER BEWARE – Noah’s Ark Couriers/Jonnyboy/Craig Ford

[Nic B-C]

Originally Posted by Darlo_Gal

Basically yes. I have found this forum is really good for having a laugh on off topic and general talk of 'I have a *insert animal* tell me how pretty it is' (not judging them posts I do them also!) However when someone has a general opinion or have had problems with buyers/sellers like in this instance then sometimes the slating and agression of some forum members puts people off.
After spending money on animals, having one die just hours after getting it home then spending money on vets bills for months after on the one that survived why the hell would I want to come on here and be shouted down for it and made to feel ten times worse.




I'm sorry you have mentioned this twice now I don't see what your point is? Perhaps I had bought them before you went round or he got them after? I also went to his house and I don't care if his viv was diamond encrusted with topaz as substrate! he still sold small misadvertised snakes and very ill beardies one of which so ill it died how much more proof do you need about this man?

Sorry I wasnt defending him as ive said before i was just stating what i saw when i was there as someone was saying hes probably storing snakes in the shipping boxes and others mentioned selling beardies.

The evidence certainly seems to be there from various people and this all seems bad but as meko is pointing out its all being blurredas many issues seem to be put together and then a lot of conjecture.

Adding in a post like above blurs it further as its now accusing him of stealing one lot of snakes and substituting them for smaller similar snakes and then making a mint on both.

Facts are facts and it is better to stick to them rather than to fudge the edges.

Ive given the facts I have on the guy in order for people to be clarified on a where he lives if anyone needs that and his contact with other people locally amd also what a local pet shop has said about him.


I was trying to be helpful to anyone who needed that info.

[Darlo_Gal]

Originally Posted by Nic B-C

Sorry I wasnt defending him as ive said before i was just stating what i saw when i was there as someone was saying hes probably storing snakes in the shipping boxes and others mentioned selling beardies.

I'll agree when I was there I saw no shipping boxes I don't know whether he was storing them like this or not so I can't comment on it. Yes others have mentioned selling beardies which is true as I bought them and he was also selling baby beardies at the same time I went round.

The evidence certainly seems to be there from various people and this all seems bad but as meko is pointing out its all being blurredas many issues seem to be put together and then a lot of conjecture.

I have to admit I can understand why Ssthisto brought in the courier company (if thats the issue you mean) as she bought the snakes from 'Craig Ford' (johnnyboy) and they were cold on delivery now I believe this is an issue with the courier who in this case was Noahs Ark...who is also Jonnyboy. So it makes sense to put all this in one thread seeing as it is regarding one person.

Adding in a post like above blurs it further as its now accusing him of stealing one lot of snakes and substituting them for smaller similar snakes and then making a mint on both.

I don't know if your referring to the hypothetical post which wasn't accusing him of nothing seeing as it was hypothetical. Or my post about the snakes being misadvertised...which they were they were sold as 500g and the snake delivered was much less than that.

Facts are facts and it is better to stick to them rather than to fudge the edges.

I agree and if you read the first two posts you will find all the facts there!

Ive given the facts I have on the guy in order for people to be clarified on a where he lives if anyone needs that and his contact with other people locally amd also what a local pet shop has said about him.

You have your right to your views I don't disagree with that my only problem was the part I highlighted. You stated twice in this thread that there was no beardies in his house when you went round this may very well be true but it's insignificant as I said earlier you may have went after I had bought them (I got them early December so we're not talking recent) and could make people doubt that I bought them from him luckily I still have pictures and original PMs from him to say otherwise.


I was trying to be helpful to anyone who needed that info.

[Nic B-C]

Oh Im not disputing the fact hes sold them hun just that when i got this T he only had about 5 snakes, on view,m as it was his bit of the house I wouldnt have thought he would have stuff elsewhere, but he does seem to have traded various things and ended up with other stuff.

The T I bought and the two he traded off with pet shop were supposed to be from a mate but thinking back he was a little vague.

and yes I was going on about the hypothetical thing as it was a tad more than hypothetical in my mind...its was infact very directed to the purchase of the snakes the OP had bought as far as i could see.

but anyway semantics,lets hope any animal neglect will have been nipped int he bud now.

however as a % of UK rep holders RFUK will only reflect a very small part of the market and there is no reason why the guy cant tradeor courier from a number of different sources.

I know he is actively tryign to bring in more snakes on an order now or just has as he tried to get Liam into the deal which he declined

[Ssthisto]

Originally Posted by Nic B-C

Adding in a post like above blurs it further as its now accusing him of stealing one lot of snakes and substituting them for smaller similar snakes and then making a mint on both.

Nic, please read my user title.

Do you?

We have not *accused* him of outright stealing or swapping snakes at any point. Onissarle DID ask "Since he has been unethical in X, Y and Z business practices as we have presented proof for, what exactly would be stopping him from being unethical in Q business practice if other people continued to trust him as a courier?"

Do you know what "hypothetical situation" means? It's a "what if this happened" not a "this did happen but we can't prove it".

We are absolutely NOT saying that John has stolen snakes - of all the things he's done wrong, illegally or unethically, that is not on the list that we are aware of. But we do wonder why, if everything ELSE is on the list, why would it be so difficult to believe that something like that is within the realms of possibility?

As I said, I know absolutely that the snakes John sold us (as "Craig Ford") are the snakes John delivered to us (as "Noah's Ark") - their markings match up. The fact that they are substantially NOT what was advertised doesn't change the fact that the animals in the photos are the animals that arrived in the boxes. Only the descriptive text was pulled from "whole cloth" - their weights, their origins.

[Rou]

I didnt read to the bottom of the first few threads but may I just say to protect yourselves. By giving out personal information over the internet without a persons consent and going to lengths and extensive measures to find said information is classed as a form of stalking and prosecution could be laid down by the people who are at the but end of it all ie John/craig whatever the blokes name is. Not to mention it is highly slanderous.

Protect yourself and say no more as you will get caught out by the police if the person is smart enough. Trust me I have had first hand experience with this as false accusations were placed about my family selling 'stolen goods' which were in fact parts taken from MY ford anglia. People have now splayed my very personal information and that of my friends and family to 'save people' from humiliation and going out of pocket due to 'false pretenses' so they say.

Im just trying to help the good guys here.

[Rou]

Please may I add to my previous post that it is in fact in response to all those who have gone to lengths to find details about this person/s and shared them with others without consent from the person in question.

[Nic B-C]

But you are now also saying he could have which is not a good thing to state, how would you feel if I now stated that you could possibly have just robbed a BANK because you are in a financial loss situation from these snakes?

You actually state these snakes are the same so why go on to add this hypothetical statement.

You also state the orgins of the snakes is in question itself yet he has tried to get another local person in on the deal from the same supplier, something this other local person doesnt need to do as if he wanted to he could just do it all himself!

and I retierate Im not defending the guy at all as i think what he seems to have done is not good in any way whatsoever

[Ssthisto]

Actually, the details we've provided in the post were made public - in many cases by John himself - on this very forum. The only "personal detail" we provided was a phone number he posted himself.

And it's funny... we didn't actually have to go *hunting* for any details. Other victims provided missing puzzle pieces to us. We have just put the pieces together into a larger picture... and the information we've provided or have in our possession is nothing that a few searches on RFUK - and one Google search - couldn't turn up.

However, we will keep what you've said in mind and refrain from posting his actual address.

[Nic B-C]

Originally Posted by Rou

Please may I add to my previous post that it is in fact in response to all those who have gone to lengths to find details about this person/s and shared them with others without consent from the person in question.

They dont actually need permission from John tompost their findings however they need to be 100% certain of what they are saying or implying otherwise they could indeed face prosecution hence I have mentioned this above

[Rou]

Originally Posted by Ssthisto

Actually, the details we've provided in the post were made public - in many cases by John himself - on this very forum. The only "personal detail" we provided was a phone number he posted himself.

And it's funny... we didn't actually have to go *hunting* for any details. Other victims provided missing puzzle pieces to us. We have just put the pieces together into a larger picture... and the information we've provided or have in our possession is nothing that a few searches on RFUK - and one Google search - couldn't turn up.

However, we will keep what you've said in mind and refrain from posting his actual address.

This sort of thing can really get people into hot water and in a lot of cases the person being acused of doing something they should is often innocent (not saying that this is the case with this person because i don't know the whole story so will not pass judgement).

Originally Posted by Nic B-C

They dont actually need permission from John tompost their findings however they need to be 100% certain of what they are saying or implying otherwise they could indeed face prosecution hence I have mentioned this above

As for what you are saying yes you are correct but that depends upon the so called 'findings' a few clicks on RFUK and a few on Google is fair enough but when people start to get geeky on their computer and find out other personal information and intend on using it against such person in question then you are getting into hot water and whether they have done something wrong or not as long as the alert/warning/whatever has been publisied nothing more needs doing, surely.