blinded by the name?

[ukreticnut]

it's the same with all the fuss about fire and ice dragons.
say two people each buy a pair of blood reds off fire and ice.
a year and half later they bred and now both parties are looking to sell offspring.
2 adverts will be eg.
"baby fire and ice blood red dragons for sale £150 each"
"blood red dragons for sale £50 each"
which ones gonna sell?
common sense suggests that the £50 ones will, but they wont even tho the animal pedigree is exactly the same, the one selling "fire and ice" will sell though because of some name attached to the animals.
The initial animals were fire and ice BRED resulting offspring are the purchasers issue.

[Nic B-C]

Originally Posted by ukreticnut

it's the same with all the fuss about fire and ice dragons.
say two people each buy a pair of blood reds off fire and ice.
a year and half later they bred and now both parties are looking to sell offspring.
2 adverts will be eg.
"baby fire and ice blood red dragons for sale £150 each"
"blood red dragons for sale £50 each"
which ones gonna sell?
common sense suggests that the £50 ones will, but they wont even tho the animal pedigree is exactly the same, the one selling "fire and ice" will sell though because of some name attached to the animals.
The initial animals were fire and ice BRED resulting offspring are the purchasers issue.

and this is exactly the basis of a so called scammer thread on here the other day with fire and ice importer saying they are the only ones selling them. If you buy some and breed they are exactly the same animals just dont have a piece of paper saying so, get into 3rd gen and you may even have better quality animals then the original imported ones yet people will still kick off if you call them fire and ice

[Graylord]

Originally Posted by ern79

not at all, if you re-read it, im saying that people are almost trying to beat each other into submission on the prices they want for their animals, im all for getting a good price that reflects the true value of the animal but most people want something for next to nothing, im saying we should pay each other sensible money for our animals.
With regards to your comment about me saying that we should all buy cheap animals off each other and this would ruin "proper rep businesses" and then saying that the retailer will no longer be there, i think you have totally missed the point, bob clark is a breeder not a retailer, people buying direct from a breeder affects retail trade in itself! why would someone buy from a shop with their mark up if they can buy direct from a breeder, you contradict yourself by saying we should support a breeder but by buying from them you are affecting the sales of the retailers you are so quick to defend.
Btw i am a reptile retailer and nothing bugs me more than the whole "its not worth that, i can pick it up at the shows or off the classifieds" attitude and this is on low end stuff, retailers are made out to be greedy, we clearly have to make a mark up or we have no business.

I stand corrected

[Ssthisto]

Originally Posted by Nic B-C

and this is exactly the basis of a so called scammer thread on here the other day with fire and ice importer saying they are the only ones selling them. If you buy some and breed they are exactly the same animals just dont have a piece of paper saying so, get into 3rd gen and you may even have better quality animals then the original imported ones yet people will still kick off if you call them fire and ice

But really, only dragons bred *at* Fire and Ice, with the diet that Fire and Ice feeds, the caging that Fire and Ice uses, are really "Fire and Ice".

Anything else is Fire and Ice line.

If I go out and buy a Pepsi, then work out what's in it - and in the right proportions - and make my own cola soft drink to those specifications... it still isn't Pepsi because it's not coming from a Pepsi bottling plant. No matter how chemically perfect I might have gotten it, it's still "Ssthisto Cola, tastes just like Pepsi!"

If all it took to get a Fire and Ice dragon was to have a beardie of "just this shade of red" then sure, I wouldn't say someone selling a red beardie that probably has some Fire and Ice ancestors is a "scammer". But the name is a breeder/brand name, not a morph name.