EmmaJ

[kodakira]

Hi Emma

I am sincerely sorry to do this to you but it appears you need to start taking some resposabilty for some of your actions.

I have never aired our dirty washing in public or spoken to anyone else about our situation until I saw this thread. Maybe I should have ??. I feel now though it needs to be said.

In December 2008 we made an arrangement to sell two albino hedgehogs to you. At the time something happened so could not pay, so we agreed to you paying in installments. As a good friend we thought we could trust you and placed our faith in you.

You have let us down and it appears we are not alone ?.

I am still not 100& sure you still have our hogs as if you remeber you placed a pair of identical hoggies up for sale on pre - loved. When confronted i gave you the benefit of doubt when you said you were selling them for a friend. I don't know what to believe now.

It appears you have got numerous other animals since and despite confronting you a number of times, you have never paid us one single penny. It also appears you have done this to other people.

I am sorry but I do hope that adding my voice I can stop someone else being hurt and believe it or not stop you from inflicting more problems on yourself. At some point you will cross the wrong person !!!!. Emma, that is not a threat as I truly believe that you like many others know I am not like that but there are many others who are !!!.

As for the money you owe us, I have more or less written it off as I believe you are never going to be able to pay it back.

I do take some responsabilty myself for our situation but if we treat people all the same then the world would be a very sad place. I believe that you have to place your trust in people who you believe to be genuine and class as a friend.

We all learn though !!!!.

Sorry Emma it had to be said.

Neil

[Fixx]

Originally Posted by xXFooFooLaFluffXx

i think this is now strayin off the issue. if the guy gets the money up front first, why shouldnt he sell it to emma? i can fully understand the issue of you havin a problem with her lack of communication and not being forthcoming with info and money, but you cannot make comments about her care as you just DONT KNOW how she cares for her animals. So by all means advise someone not to give her a skunk before payment is made, but you cant advise someone not to sell her a skunk because she doesnt look after them, cos thats something you dont know whether its true or not. yes we dont know whether the skunk died from something genetic, but we dont know that it didnt either, so i think people need to stop making assumptions

Why shouldn't he sell to EmmaJ? Because it would be nice if as a 'community' not only can we 'ostracise' scamming sellers but also scamming buyers too. Several people in this thread have indicated that EmmaJ had animals on 'tic' then failed to pay for them, surely this is as bad as a seller who sells animals but does not deliver said animals, or even a courier company that is not what it seems?

As for care, someone has already posted about the piles of skunk crap everywhere in her house, in my view this does not equate to good care practices, and that animals seen previously were not is as good a condition when later seen.
Further Emma admitted herself she never took Diablo to see the vet after his first fit, another lack of care on her behalf in my opinion.
When I realised MaryJane and Stompy had health issues they were both at the vets within 20 minutes, no quibbling, I told them I wanted an emergency appointment and was on my way into the surgery.
I find it surprising that the vet who everyone raved on about for saving Bam did not tell Emma to bring Diablo in after his first fit, especially considering EmmaJ had to rescucitate him as he was not breathing and had no heartbeat.
These points coupled with Emma's apparent willingness to discuss this with others but not Pouchie makes all this smell very fishy to me.

[butterfingersbimbo]

Originally Posted by Fixx

Why shouldn't he sell to EmmaJ? Because it would be nice if as a 'community' not only can we 'ostracise' scamming sellers but also scamming buyers too. Several people in this thread have indicated that EmmaJ had animals on 'tic' then failed to pay for them, surely this is as bad as a seller who sells animals but does not deliver said animals, or even a courier company that is not what it seems?

As for care, someone has already posted about the piles of skunk crap everywhere in her house, in my view this does not equate to good care practices, and that animals seen previously were not is as good a condition when later seen.
Further Emma admitted herself she never took Diablo to see the vet after his first fit, another lack of care on her behalf in my opinion.
When I realised MaryJane and Stompy had health issues they were both at the vets within 20 minutes, no quibbling, I told them I wanted an emergency appointment and was on my way into the surgery.
I find it surprising that the vet who everyone raved on about for saving Bam did not tell Emma to bring Diablo in after his first fit, especially considering EmmaJ had to rescucitate him as he was not breathing and had no heartbeat.
These points coupled with Emma's apparent willingness to discuss this with others but not Pouchie makes all this smell very fishy to me.

Excellent post

[sparkle]

Originally Posted by Fixx

Why shouldn't he sell to EmmaJ? Because it would be nice if as a 'community' not only can we 'ostracise' scamming sellers but also scamming buyers too. Several people in this thread have indicated that EmmaJ had animals on 'tic' then failed to pay for them, surely this is as bad as a seller who sells animals but does not deliver said animals, or even a courier company that is not what it seems?

As for care, someone has already posted about the piles of skunk crap everywhere in her house, in my view this does not equate to good care practices, and that animals seen previously were not is as good a condition when later seen.
Further Emma admitted herself she never took Diablo to see the vet after his first fit, another lack of care on her behalf in my opinion.
When I realised MaryJane and Stompy had health issues they were both at the vets within 20 minutes, no quibbling, I told them I wanted an emergency appointment and was on my way into the surgery.
I find it surprising that the vet who everyone raved on about for saving Bam did not tell Emma to bring Diablo in after his first fit, especially considering EmmaJ had to rescucitate him as he was not breathing and had no heartbeat.
These points coupled with Emma's apparent willingness to discuss this with others but not Pouchie makes all this smell very fishy to me.

that is all

well not quite..

anyone reading this please do NOT think as a community we are stupid.. it may take weeks months or years before the keepers who are AT it are weeded out but it becomes very apparant in the long run... kepers who SEEM great on the surface and who are well liked on the forum but in reality.. it is VERY different..

Numerous reports about non-payment coupled with vivs being caked in faeces.. floors with animal faeces all over it.. .. then selling identical animals when reports of death have been made.. after a while becomes VERY obvious what is really going on.. Just because we all appear to be animal lovers do not be fooled.. many keepers are animal hoarders and childish and selfish when it comes to their animals.. they trip themselves up.. ask for animals on tick.. and are wholly unable to give them adequate care and attention never mind payment to the sellers... I am glad puchie started this thread..
we may be forgiving as a forum BUT we are NOT stupid.. .. people have been to her home and saw with their own eyes whats going on... but they have been too scared to say anything publically until now... because they assumed she had the RIGHT friends.. friends on RFUK who were respected on the forum.. BUT forum respect is nothing.. anyone can type..

frankly I would rather be hated and be a great animal keeper with high standards that everyone be my mate and have millions of animals I can neither properly pay for or care for.. simply choice really!!!!

if you see see yourself in the above post maybe its time to have a serious look at whats really going on with your animal keeping and genuine abilities t care and pay for what you have?

[saxon]

This is what is needed here..I'm sure others will admire your honesty and the fact that until now you have tried to keep you dispute private.
I wish more People who have 'disputes' with Emma would come forward.
She has been allowed to keep doing this as on here she has been a trusted and well liked member and until now no-one has said otherwise.

I for one actually like Emma and hope she can sort things out. I think she 'has a need' and is using the animals to fulfil this need.
It's a pity that the animals are suffering in one way or another whilst she tries to fulfil her own needs.
When I've been to her house the animals I've been allowed to see, as you dont get to see many considering what she is meant to have, seemed mainly well fed and 'as happy as can be expected' under the circumstances.
I didnt' see any hedgies though!

Emma did tell me she uses the PDSA for her animals which I found a tad odd as they only allow three pets per household to be registered with them and don't treat exotics.

Originally Posted by kodakira

Hi Emma

I am sincerely sorry to do this to you but it appears you need to start taking some resposabilty for some of your actions.

I have never aired our dirty washing in public or spoken to anyone else about our situation until I saw this thread. Maybe I should have ??. I feel now though it needs to be said.

In December 2008 we made an arrangement to sell two albino hedgehogs to you. At the time something happened so could not pay, so we agreed to you paying in installments. As a good friend we thought we could trust you and placed our faith in you.

You have let us down and it appears we are not alone ?.

I am still not 100& sure you still have our hogs as if you remeber you placed a pair of identical hoggies up for sale on pre - loved. When confronted i gave you the benefit of doubt when you said you were selling them for a friend. I don't know what to believe now.

It appears you have got numerous other animals since and despite confronting you a number of times, you have never paid us one single penny. It also appears you have done this to other people.

I am sorry but I do hope that adding my voice I can stop someone else being hurt and believe it or not stop you from inflicting more problems on yourself. At some point you will cross the wrong person !!!!. Emma, that is not a threat as I truly believe that you like many others know I am not like that but there are many others who are !!!.

As for the money you owe us, I have more or less written it off as I believe you are never going to be able to pay it back.

I do take some responsabilty myself for our situation but if we treat people all the same then the world would be a very sad place. I believe that you have to place your trust in people who you believe to be genuine and class as a friend.

We all learn though !!!!.

Sorry Emma it had to be said.

Neil

[xXFooFooLaFluffXx]

Originally Posted by Fixx

Why shouldn't he sell to EmmaJ? Because it would be nice if as a 'community' not only can we 'ostracise' scamming sellers but also scamming buyers too. Several people in this thread have indicated that EmmaJ had animals on 'tic' then failed to pay for them, surely this is as bad as a seller who sells animals but does not deliver said animals, or even a courier company that is not what it seems?

As for care, someone has already posted about the piles of skunk crap everywhere in her house, in my view this does not equate to good care practices, and that animals seen previously were not is as good a condition when later seen.
Further Emma admitted herself she never took Diablo to see the vet after his first fit, another lack of care on her behalf in my opinion.
When I realised MaryJane and Stompy had health issues they were both at the vets within 20 minutes, no quibbling, I told them I wanted an emergency appointment and was on my way into the surgery.
I find it surprising that the vet who everyone raved on about for saving Bam did not tell Emma to bring Diablo in after his first fit, especially considering EmmaJ had to rescucitate him as he was not breathing and had no heartbeat.
These points coupled with Emma's apparent willingness to discuss this with others but not Pouchie makes all this smell very fishy to me.

im not defending emma in any way, but i was led to believe the issue surrounding emma is the fact that she hasnt paid or produced the pm results surrounding his death, not that she doesnt care for her animals? i feel theres a little bit of personal feelings spillin over from pouchie, which i can fully understand as he was her baby originally. But i dont think that personal feeling should blur the lines, which i think it is. The issue here is emma has taken animals without payin for them and also she hasnt produced pm results as she said she would.

as for the skunk poo, saxon has been how many times? im not defending that but it might have been cleanin day? when we have been to emmas house on a few occasions its never been as bad as it was when saxon visited. As i said i dont know, but im not making assumptions. Steve the courier came to ours n the house was an absolute state, covered in hay and binbags full of dirty shavings cos we were cleaning out all the rabbits at the time, and id like to hope he realises that our house isnt always like that. Im not house proud never have been but id like to think we keep our animals clean. As for animals bein in worse condition than when she got them i cannot comment as again i havent seen any change in condition between visits

And on that note, tis rodent room day today so im off to clean

ps, the vet thing, im pretty sure emma has changed vets? not sure if this is true and if it is why, or even if theres any relevance in that but there ya go

[Amalthea]

I know I haven't had a HUGE problem with Emma, but I have had trouble getting payment for some animals. It was only something like £30 for some mice she had off me, but it took months before we got it... But we did get it in the end.

[Meko]

Originally Posted by xXFooFooLaFluffXx

i think this is now strayin off the issue. if the guy gets the money up front first, why shouldnt he sell it to emma?

**a reply about buying stuff in general**

because if money is owed to other people for goods bought the person shouldn't be buying something else cash up front. So in Emma's case, if she's got the money to buy a skunk off this person she has the money to pay the people she still owes for the animals she bought off them.

[butterfingersbimbo]

Originally Posted by xXFooFooLaFluffXx

im not defending emma in any way, but i was led to believe the issue surrounding emma is the fact that she hasnt paid or produced the pm results surrounding his death, not that she doesnt care for her animals? i feel theres a little bit of personal feelings spillin over from pouchie, which i can fully understand as he was her baby originally. But i dont think that personal feeling should blur the lines, which i think it is. The issue here is emma has taken animals without payin for them and also she hasnt produced pm results as she said she would.

as for the skunk poo, saxon has been how many times? im not defending that but it might have been cleanin day? when we have been to emmas house on a few occasions its never been as bad as it was when saxon visited. As i said i dont know, but im not making assumptions. Steve the courier came to ours n the house was an absolute state, covered in hay and binbags full of dirty shavings cos we were cleaning out all the rabbits at the time, and id like to hope he realises that our house isnt always like that. Im not house proud never have been but id like to think we keep our animals clean. As for animals bein in worse condition than when she got them i cannot comment as again i havent seen any change in condition between visits

And on that note, tis rodent room day today so im off to clean

ps, the vet thing, im pretty sure emma has changed vets? not sure if this is true and if it is why, or even if theres any relevance in that but there ya go

I think the cleanliness issue is relevant, as any decent seller isn't just concerned about recieving payment from the buyer, but also that the animal will be well looked after ie kept in clean conditions, with suitable food, will be safe from children and other pets already living there. It's the bigger picture in my opinion. There's far more to having a pet than just paying for it.

I know of another person who has not come forward but who had a very difficult time with Emma so it's a good thing that people are being honest about the problems they have had. The person I am on about had a right slating when she tried to say something, which was extremely uncalled for, but I notice that some of those who defended Emma and were nasty to the other person involved have not defended Emma this time.

[butterfingersbimbo]

Originally Posted by Meko

**a reply about buying stuff in general**

because if money is owed to other people for goods bought the person shouldn't be buying something else cash up front. So in Emma's case, if she's got the money to buy a skunk off this person she has the money to pay the people she still owes for the animals she bought off them.

Exactly, and those people who were owed money had to sit and be quiet or else face the wrath of Emma's "supporters" .........