Rat breeders beware.

[_simon_]

I'm the partner of the previous owner of these rats.

Just noticed this. Well actually I've had to do a search to try and find out who is sending emails to the new owner!

To clear things up....

1) Neither of us have ever told anyone that we had lost Sue's details. That's a blatant lie by whoever said that.

2) My partner was not aware or had forgotten(?) (due to her medical condition) that Sue would of had these rats back.

3) My partner has never bred from these rats and never intended to.

4) The whole reason that these rats had to be rehomed is because my partner's health has gone rapidly down hill to the point where she felt she could not look after them. She is on oxygen 24/7, she spends almost all day on her back in bed dosed up with a multitude of prescribed drugs, when we leave the house to the numerous Dr's and hospital appointments she has to use a wheelchair. She is in constant pain and I find it incredible that she's able to function at all.

5) The person who kindly took the rats is a registered RSPCA foster home and wanted the rats for HERSELF. Not to rehome, not to breed from but for HERSELF. She does not run a pet shop!

6) We made absolutely no money from the rats, they were given away FREE. We didn't even ask for petrol money to be covered.

7) We do not have any paperwork for any type of contract. We have never even met Sue in person! Nothing was ever signed.

I find this whole thing bizarre. It seems that rat breeders are a law unto themselves. I wonder how many people have bought from rat breeders and are unaware that they don't actually own the rats!

I'm saddened to say that this morning the new owner has forwarded me an email from someone called Amy Hughes who neither of us know demanding that she return all 5 rats to Sue, despite the fact that only 3 of them came from her in the first place. Whoever this person is bloody stop it!

[Beowulf1976]

I would like to publicly give my response to this, considering it is all now aired out and sorted and Sue hasn't had the decency to apologise on this thread.

Firstly, yes the ratties were advertised as rehomers, this is because I am VERY poorly, and can no longer stand for more than five minutes, which meant that the boys were not getting their proper clean out times and were not getting loving attention that they so deserved, I would have each rat out on my shoulder and cuddle time each day, but they were not getting the time to play safely in a room like they used to be, because I was always too ill. This is when I reluctantly decided that they were to be rehomed.

Now why didn't I contact the breeder? Because I was ashamed, VERY ashamed that I had failed them, and more specifically had failed her, she entrusted her boys to me, and I wasn't giving them the love and attention that they deserved, of course I was too embarrassed and ashamed, and scared even to contact her. Please note that my poorly also extends to my brain and this inevitably means that my mind is clouded most of the time and I cannot make the right decisions in my head, had I have been of full and correct mind I would have bitten my tongue and called Sue anyway to explain the situation. The same goes for the two boys from Hannah.

I am not proud of what I did, I know I was in the wrong, but these things can't be put to right, I have apologised to Sue and she has forgiven me, or so she has said in emails.

I wasn't able to give her the new details, simply because the new owner had said that she would only keep me informed and wouldn't keep in touch with Sue, this was especially after Simon had told her that Sue was being awful to me.

Sue found out the details herself, I have absolutely NO IDEA how and I'm still bugged to find out, but she isn't letting on.

Anyway, the new owner is a lovely lady in Telford who has run the rescue that she runs for 10 years and she has a wealth of pets that she keeps herself. I only agreed to rehome to her because she promised that they would be going into her forever home and only leaving the day that they die. This was good news to me.

She categorically insists that she has bugger all to do with the petshop which has now been closed down due to horrible living conditions of their animals. (Unless he opens back up with a new name)

So in closure to this thread, as I do not wish to be further ripped to pieces over this, I cried the day they left me, and I've cried with every email that Sue has sent me, I didn't even realise that she had slated me on here too, until Simon notified me.

IF things had been different and I hadn't been so poorly the rats would still be in my loving care and getting the exercise that they need out of their cage as well as in the cage to prevent them from becoming rather fat (yes, I hold my hand up to that). There is nothing else wrong with the rats, they were delivered clean and in full health "as far as I know". I love them boys and I am still upset now that I wasn't able to keep them. Every time I walk past the hall my heart goes up into my throat and I have to hang my head in shame and sorrow as I walk past.

Please don't judge me when you don't even know me. At least I DID rehome them, instead of just letting them have not much of a life with me, at least I put their feelings and well being before my own.

[rosie75]

I have just bred my first litter of rats, and I do know how easy it is to get attached, how worrying it is when things don't go exactly to plan
But I also know that I have bred these for a reason.
Once they find new homes, they are no longer my responsibility but I am happy to take back rats for whatever reason, saying that, I would be happy if the new owners found different homes for them if they could no longer look after them also.
To the lady who is ill, I'm very sorry for you, my uncle went through something very similar, and it is an awful thing to have to cope with.
And please don't blame yourself, you have done nothing wrong. Finding them a loving home was the best you could do
Rattysue, do you maybe get a little too attached, maybe breeding isn't really something you should be putting yourself through if it causes you this much stress

[rattysue]

For God's sake Carol.....have you seen the date on this thread?
I have been so busy e mailing you and sorting things out between us that I haven't had bloody chance to put details up here yet.
and please tell me where I have slated you?
I've warned people to be careful when homing their babies...I've told the truth of exactly what has happened..

All I've tried to do is find out where the boys have gone.....I've done that and hopefully may be able to sort things out with the new owner.
I haven't even mentioned your name on here so both of you just back off.
Also Carol....why do I need to apologise on this thread?
I have said nothing wrong....the date this thread started I did say what I was going to do.....
Since then I had hoped that we had come to an understanding....

[_simon_]

I'm sick to death of you having a go and making out we are unfit to care for animals. Your emails have been insulting and upsetting. So it's ok for you to start this thread but not for us to reply with our side.

You said in a pm to me that people like us make you sick and that we should not be keeping animals. You accused us of neglecting our pets and even implied to carol that your harasment and abuse would continue until you had the new owners details.

You are one of the most vile human beings i've ever had to deal with and to say I hate you isn't a strong enough emotion. I've been shaking with anger over the things that have been said in private.

Perhaps this needs to be resolved in person. We'll see how gobby you are then.

[rattysue]

now we are finally getting somwhere....
I'd sorted all this out with Carol over the past couple of days yet you see fit to drag it all up again.
I haven't mentioned either of you in this thread to you popped you little head up.
You never wanted Carol to have the rats from day one did you? You kept on at her that they stunk
You put the re homing post up didn't you
You told the woman that I had been nasty to Carol when I hadn't been up till then
It was you who told Carol to ban me from the forum..what was you hoping that I hadn't got her e mail so I couldn't sort it?
I've now spoken to the lady who has these boys and she knows nothing of any of this...just 3 rats that she assumed were pet shop and no one cared for.

As far as I am concerned I have sorted everything with Carol.....I admit I said all those thing but that was after you said that youcould do with what you wanted with the rats.

You need to grow up a bit...who told Carol that hoodie's were dangerous when she wanted her pwn snake and now who has one......
get a life Simon....if it wasn't for you then none of this would have happened.
You are a manipulative control freak and I feel for Carol...
For everyone else...I've pm'd Simon my phone number as I really have nothing to hide.
Silly little man...I suggest this thread is locked now as it seems to have served the purpose

[_simon_]

You seriously are messed up in the head aren't you. Is compulsive liying a medical condition or just a habit?

Yes I'll drag this up. Funny you don't mention that you made a point of saying how disgusted you were in the rehoming thread and naming carol there.

No I wasn't keen on carol getting the rats in the first place back in May 2008 but it was up to her and she did get them obviously.

Yes I put the rehoming post up, as I keep having to bloody say carol is ill and even a simple thing like typing a post on a forum isn't always possible and like Carol has said herself her illness affects her mind so she can't always put a coherent post together.

You bloody well had been nasty to Carol, here's that compulsive lying again.

I couldn't give a toss about you and Carols forum, you made me so mad that I left before she made the decision to ban you. believe it or not she can make her own decisions. No matter how "sorted" you think you are you're not.

The lady who has these rats knows exactly what has been going on, we've been talking almost daily and she knew very well from day one that they were not pet shop bought. It even bloody says so in the rehoming thread.

Of course Carol can do what she pleased with the rats. What you can't seem to get your thick head around is that they weren't yours! You gave them away.

Carol has been making the decision about whether to give them up for months. I didn't force her to do anything and rehoming them wasn't a bad thing, again something you can't get through your thick head. Hmm... lets see... Carol keeps them but can't look after them or carol gives them to someone who can. Doesn't take a genius to work out what's best for the rats now does it? But then you're plainly far, far, far from a genius.

You call me a control freak because you just want to make me look bad and get all the female rat breeders (as most are female) on your side. You are just unbelievable and why the hell would I want your phone number? Probably so that you can accuse me of abusing you over the phone and get the police involved no doubt. I'm not stupid Sue, it's obvious as to what sort of person you are.

[DRAGONLOVER1981]

another thread where people just abuse other people maybe it should be closed mods?

[_simon_]

We've had abuse from her from the moment she found out they had been rehomed. She gives rat breeders a bad name and after this experience I don't think either of us would ever recommend getting rats from one. I apologise for doing this out in the open but it's only fair that both sides of the story are heard.

[DRAGONLOVER1981]

aye yes it is fair that both sides are heard but is there any need to be insulting or threatening to each other? just my own opinion.