Annoying people

[Cockys Royals]

I find some people, normally some newbies (not all) so dont go there, they come on the forum looking in classifieds and think they can have summat for nothing. Well just because you claim to be a "Reptile Rescue" it still doesnt mean that you get whatever the animal is cheaper or for free. I mean all of us could be reptile rescues, and it ruins the fact that there are rescues around and freebie hunters jump in expecting all & sundry.

Sorry rant over.

[python lover09]

yip know what ya onabout. does my head in

[Tempestas]

Originally Posted by python lover09

yip know what ya onabout. does my head in

To be honest what gets to me is when a "reptile rescue" has a set rehome fee and nine times out of ten it is the same as or higher than most in classifieds. Believe it or not but a set fee can not be done because its based on donations which the adoptee is willing to give for the said animal.

Its also when they say "A donation of £65 will be required for this baby boa" that is a sale and is not a rehome because a donation is as much or as little as you want it to be. Definition of "Donation" is a contribution: a voluntary gift (as of money or service or ideas) made to some worthwhile cause, and voluntary is of your own free will or design; done by choice; not forced or compelled.

So technically a Donation can not be forced therefore can not ask for a set fee. One of the biggest "Animal" rescue charitys ask for set donations £65 for a cat and £85 for a dog says it all really doesn't it.

[Meko]

Originally Posted by Tempestas

To be honest what gets to me is when a "reptile rescue" has a set rehome fee and nine times out of ten it is the same as or higher than most in classifieds.

that's because the costs of running a rescue are high.

Believe it or not but a set fee can not be done because its based on donations which the adoptee is willing to give for the said animal.

Its also when they say "A donation of £65 will be required for this baby boa" that is a sale and is not a rehome because a donation is as much or as little as you want it to be. Definition of "Donation" is a contribution: a voluntary gift (as of money or service or ideas) made to some worthwhile cause, and voluntary is of your own free will or design; done by choice; not forced or compelled.

So technically a Donation can not be forced therefore can not ask for a set fee. One of the biggest "Animal" rescue charitys ask for set donations £65 for a cat and £85 for a dog says it all really doesn't it.

a donation can be forced.
Like you said, a donation is voluntary. So if you donate a tenner, you're giving the rescue a tenner and they give you bugger all. If you donate £65 then they give you a cat in return.

[Tempestas]

Originally Posted by Meko

that's because the costs of running a rescue are high.



a donation can be forced.
Like you said, a donation is voluntary. So if you donate a tenner, you're giving the rescue a tenner and they give you bugger all. If you donate £65 then they give you a cat in return.

I think your missing the point here Meko.

Basically yes rescues are expensive to run but that is down to the person/s running the rescue in the first place. If they haven't got the funds to do so then they shouldn't be doing it at all but instead they rely on the general public to buy their rescues from them which is in my opinion basically running a business and not a rescue. Everybody knows that a rescue does not make money simply because its a non-profit organisation. The thing is to become a charity you have to earn a set amount a year, but a charity is dependent on donations which aren't supposed to be a set fee so those charitys out there that do have set fee's in place are not actually a charity but instead they are a business.

Thats why when you go to the PDSA and have your animal operated on lets say a private vet costs £300 all they ask for is a donation of your choice which is annoymous and they will still operate on your animal but if you go to the RSPCA and lets say get your cat treated for fleas it will cost you a set fee of £25 ( This is just a guide price for the sake of this point ) So therefore the RSPCA are actually running a business and not a charity the same goes for any other rescue which charge set fee's I have had friends who have run a successful rescue as in getting the reptiles rehomed etc correctly and only took voluntary donations and it seemed to work because not only did the public give generously but because of the people that were offering to rehome the animals understood the costs involved and also gave generously. They still would of rehomed the animal even if they only had a £5 donation for say a corn snake simply because its more important that they go to a loving home instead of that rescue making a profit from "Rehoming with a set fee"

There is also a "Reptile Rescue" near myself who has been the subject of a couple of threads on the forum and also the topic of conversation throughout an awful lot of old school keepers and he boasts as being a charity but still asks for more than what the actual price would be to buy the animal in the first place and people wonder why there are so many animals sitting in rescues still. It is mainly because of this charging over the odds instead of a donation for the animal.

[Cockys Royals]

Well I was expecting an uproar, but seem's some people agree with me. Its not just this forum that have the "rescue" but also other sites such as preloved gumtree etc. Theres one near me on one of those just mentioned, looking to rehome a royal python, will not donate, and states they want it free.
Now im all for giving to said rescue, but when they're new on this forum or elsewhere, how can they define themself as a rescue, when no one here knows anything about them, we dont know if they have any knowledge of said animal, and what conditions they have where the animal will be, will it have the correct equipment etc. Care vet treatment (if needed).

I just find freebie hunters annoying, obviously someone out there has (apparently) looked after or not so in some cases the animal, whether it be reptile furry or whatever, but who in their right mind would give AWAY any animal to someone they dont know, or know anything about.
Obviously proof of who they are, is their rescue credited, IE: do they have certain certificates, health care insurance etc etc. To claim to provide such a name as "We rescue contact us we're new to the site"

[Meko]

Originally Posted by Tempestas

I think your missing the point here Meko.

i'll argue that you're missing the point.,

Basically yes rescues are expensive to run but that is down to the person/s running the rescue in the first place. If they haven't got the funds to do so then they shouldn't be doing it

So a rescue should only be run by somebody with endless amount of money to spend on heating, food costs and vet bills?

at all but instead they rely on the general public to buy their rescues from them which is in my opinion basically running a business and not a rescue. Everybody knows that a rescue does not make money simply because its a non-profit organisation.

If a rescue is run by somebody and that is their full time occupation then they are running a business; and that business is a reptile rescue.
If they were making money they'd have to pay tax on it and they'd all be doing well.

The thing is to become a charity you have to earn a set amount a year, but a charity is dependent on donations which aren't supposed to be a set fee so those charitys out there that do have set fee's in place are not actually a charity but instead they are a business.

This is about rescues not charities.
Nobody has said a rescue is a charity; you pay the donation fee to the rescue to take the animal.. you don't rescue the animal from the rescue.

Thats why when you go to the PDSA and have your animal operated on lets say a private vet costs £300 all they ask for is a donation of your choice which is annoymous and they will still operate on your animal but if you go to the RSPCA and lets say get your cat treated for fleas it will cost you a set fee of £25 ( This is just a guide price for the sake of this point ) So therefore the RSPCA are actually running a business and not a charity the same goes for any other rescue which charge set fee's I have had friends who have run a successful rescue as in getting the reptiles rehomed etc correctly and only took voluntary donations and it seemed to work because not only did the public give generously but because of the people that were offering to rehome the animals understood the costs involved and also gave generously. They still would of rehomed the animal even if they only had a £5 donation for say a corn snake simply because its more important that they go to a loving home instead of that rescue making a profit from "Rehoming with a set fee"

The RSPCA have a charity number so they are a charity. They can still run a business as well.

I worked at a private school that had other businesses there; coach company, arts centre that was hired out for weddings etc etc. The business arm donated money back into the school through gift aid to their charity.... Which in turn was put back into the running of the school.

the RSPCA will charge for their services and then donate those fees back to the RSCPA charity and it's perfectly legal as the RSPCA business isn't making a profit.

There is also a "Reptile Rescue" near myself who has been the subject of a couple of threads on the forum and also the topic of conversation throughout an awful lot of old school keepers and he boasts as being a charity but still asks for more than what the actual price would be to buy the animal in the first place and people wonder why there are so many animals sitting in rescues still. It is mainly because of this charging over the odds instead of a donation for the animal.

does he have a charity number?
If he has a charity number then he's a charity. If he takes donations from the public then he relies on charity from the public - it doesn't mean that he is a 'charity'.

A rescue is still a business and they rely on charity from the public to help them survive. A charity has to be registered with the charity commissions and have a charity number, but that doesn't mean you can't receive charity from people.
If the rescue isn't making a profilt from the 'sales' of the rehomes then maybe you'd like to come up with a better idea..
charge more so they can make a profilt and call themselves a business and pay tax?
Kill all the animals they get offered just so they don't have to look after them?
register as a charity and stand on the street corners rattling tins?
or... carry on doing what they are doing and charging a realistic amount whilst still paying a lot out of their own pocket themselves.

[Meko]

Originally Posted by Cockys Royals

Well I was expecting an uproar, but seem's some people agree with me. "

just for the record.. i'm not disagreeing with you. Rescues don't normally go asking for additional critters as they usually have enough on their plate as it is. There's just a lot of freebie hunters popping up with empty vivs that they 'rescue' something in.

[Cockys Royals]

Originally Posted by Meko

just for the record.. i'm not disagreeing with you. Rescues don't normally go asking for additional critters as they usually have enough on their plate as it is. There's just a lot of freebie hunters popping up with empty vivs that they 'rescue' something in.

Oh not saying you are disagreeing with me, be your point of view if you did.
But it does annoy me as you stated people have empty vivs, and want to fill them, the point im trying to make is some people claim to be a "rescue" when in fact theyre not, theyre just freebie hunters, and my concern is. If theyre freebie hunters, why come on a forum in classifieds etc where people are selling on unwanted or whatever pets. And advise said sellers, "Im a rescue". When in fact said topic never mentioned rescue.

I would be interested in people who do offer their rescues for free homing or rehoming. DO they actually check out the said new owner before handing over said pet. Most proper rescues as mentioned, actually do home visits etc, and obviously question said new owner to find out if they have knowledge of care for whatever they want to rehome.
I dont expect everyone who offers out their animal to rehome to do all this, but surely someone closer would be more reliable, and due attention to animal can be seen and checked up on now & then just to make sure, animal & owner do actually get on.

[Meko]

it all depends on the credability of the rescue. If it's a proper rescue where they are concerned about the animal then they'll make sure it's going to have a decent home. Some others are just glad to get them out of the door to keep the 'stock' rotating.