Re-homing fees.

[alan66]

Though I feel certain none of the comments are aimed at us, just a word of defence.

In a perfect world, we would only offer 100% healthy animals, but its not perfect and many sick animals can only live a quality life if they have medication regularly. Further, many of the internal diseases, such as liver function, are progressive and irreversible, and in the early days, undetectable. This is caused by poor diet and conditions when younger and is out of the control of a rescue centre.

We never expect to recover the true cost of any animal. Its not possible and is a silly idea. Thats what our fundraising is for. But some of our team argue that anyone who cannot afford £30 for a large snake is unlikely to afford the heating, lighting, feeding and vet bills, and to let the snake go to them is irresponsible.

Debate.....................................

[Tillies reptile rescue]

ok ether im rubbish at getting my point across or your reading what I say wrong...First of all no i dont think im clever with the simples remark, I wasnt trying to be i was actually trying to lighten the mood on this thread abit...


Erm isn't that the whole idea of a rescue is to take in ill animals??? To make them better to rehouse them with suitable owners so then they can move onto the next animal in need!
I didnt say anything about rescues not taking in ill animals, what I said was rehoming ill animals, as in a rescue rehoming them on to other people knowing that they are ill.

I have already said I agree that some people ask too much for a "rehoming" fee, I also get very angry at people using the "we are a rescue" thing to get cheap or free reps to then just go and sell them on after a few days, we always keep a rep here for a bare min of 6 weeks, even those that have come to us as healthy reps.

As for the comment about my sentence being irresponsible statement, I was talking about individual people who set homing fee's too high and not rescues, I support all other rescues and the fee's they ask, as we know how hard it is too keep a rescue going...maybe i didnt explain myself enough with my other post ( I am rubbish at getting my point across sometimes !!) but what I was trying to say was if a person (not talking about rescues) is asking a high rehoming fee if no one rehomes the rep maybe it will make them rethink the rehoming fee...yet if someone pays that high rehoming fee, and others see people paying the high rehoming fee then what is too stop other people from asking a high rehoming fee...hope all that makes sense.
BUt at the same time I do think people should ask rehoming fee's as sadly you do get people wanting free reps to sell on, but aswell as asking a rehoming fee maybe people should do their best to make sure the person they rehome their rep to has the experence and means to care for their rep.

[Ferret1959]

Originally Posted by alan66

(clipped) But some of our team argue that anyone who cannot afford £30 for a large snake is unlikely to afford the heating, lighting, feeding and vet bills, and to let the snake go to them is irresponsible.

Debate.....................................

I would rather buy £30 worth of food for the snakes I give homes to.

It's not that I can't afford to buy animals, I could if I need to.
I go with out luxuries such as 3 meals a day, ciggies and booze.

I don't work so live on a shoe string.
I have got back up funds if the worst happens.

[alan66]

Don't get me wrong, dave. I was saying what some of our management members say.

My point of view is that a good home is worth more than the biggest donation or fee, and we are reasonably choosy for our animals. We have turned down dozens of wannabes, after a burmese or iggy, with no experience and daft questions, despite them offering the "going rate" or even more.

[Ferret1959]

Originally Posted by alan66

Don't get me wrong, dave. I was saying what some of our management members say.

My point of view is that a good home is worth more than the biggest donation or fee, and we are reasonably choosy for our animals. We have turned down dozens of wannabes, after a burmese or iggy, with no experience and daft questions, despite them offering the "going rate" or even more.

Well said Alan.




It's a shame the re-homing section is a bit of a free for all on here.

I wish people would understand that having a price on an animal DOES NOT secure a good home, it just allows those with more money than sense can cash in on a cheapish animal.

How about it a ruling that any animal unless posted by a rescue centre should not 'sell' for more than £10.

If it's more than a tenner it goes in classifieds.

[snickers]

> I wish people would understand that having a price on an animal DOES NOT
> secure a good home, it just allows those with more money than sense can
> cash in on a cheapish animal.

Why should you be telling rescues what their policies should be. Several rescues have posted and it's obvious that they have thought about this subject in some depth. Probably even had arguements about it. Let them do their work how they want and you do yours how you want.

> How about it a ruling that any animal unless posted by a rescue centre
> should not 'sell' for more than £10.

Again why do you want to impose this on the notice board. If I want to rehome my animals for £20 I'll do it, and frankly you don't have much say in the matter.

[Ferret1959]

Originally Posted by snickers

> I wish people would understand that having a price on an animal DOES NOT
> secure a good home, it just allows those with more money than sense can
> cash in on a cheapish animal.

Why should you be telling rescues what their policies should be. Several rescues have posted and it's obvious that they have thought about this subject in some depth. Probably even had arguements about it. Let them do their work how they want and you do yours how you want.

> How about it a ruling that any animal unless posted by a rescue centre
> should not 'sell' for more than £10.

Again why do you want to impose this on the notice board. If I want to rehome my animals for £20 I'll do it, and frankly you don't have much say in the matter.

Then it would be a sale and could go in the classified section.
And frankly I wouldn't care how much you paid.

[Tempestas]

Originally Posted by alan66

Though I feel certain none of the comments are aimed at us, just a word of defence.

In a perfect world, we would only offer 100% healthy animals, but its not perfect and many sick animals can only live a quality life if they have medication regularly. Further, many of the internal diseases, such as liver function, are progressive and irreversible, and in the early days, undetectable. This is caused by poor diet and conditions when younger and is out of the control of a rescue centre.

We never expect to recover the true cost of any animal. Its not possible and is a silly idea. Thats what our fundraising is for. But some of our team argue that anyone who cannot afford £30 for a large snake is unlikely to afford the heating, lighting, feeding and vet bills, and to let the snake go to them is irresponsible.

Debate.....................................

It isn't aimed at you at all so no need to worry there I haven't had the pleasure of seeing you around so I can not comment on the way you run your rescue but I'm sure from what you have just said that you are doing a good job. But with the if they can't afford the £30 then how are they going to afford anything else what if its not because they can't afford the fee's but infact do not want to leave a £30 donation because that £30 could be spent on equipment etc say for instance they gave you a £10 donation and then the £20 went on a UV bulb or something else which is required for the reptile. I know I can afford vet fee's, heating, housing, etc without a problem but would be cautious at giving a "Rescue" £40 for an iggy or a corn snake because in my eyes that isn't rehoming that is selling. If for instance they had a set fee of £25 for lizards £30 for snakes £35 for torts etc then that would be fair enough but its when the fee's change everytime say for instance someone rescues a female royal weighing 850grams and the "Rescue" puts a rehome fee of £45 onto her but then the next week get another female royal weighing 1800grams and puts a rehome fee on her for £80 thats just wrong and it happens on here ALOT in the rehoming section mainly by one culprit I shall not name this rescue but you I'm sure if people did their homework then they would soon see who it was, This said rescue was crying out for rehomers I offered baring in mind I have the facility to accomodate many many many reptiles with more room to expand if required and I didn't get a response simpley because I objected paying their stupid "Rehoming" fee's which haven't actually gone onto vet fees or food but actually been spent in kitting out a "NEW REPTILE CENTER" which is really their reptile room now do you see my point ?

Originally Posted by Tillies reptile rescue

ok ether im rubbish at getting my point across or your reading what I say wrong...First of all no i dont think im clever with the simples remark, I wasnt trying to be i was actually trying to lighten the mood on this thread abit...


Erm isn't that the whole idea of a rescue is to take in ill animals??? To make them better to rehouse them with suitable owners so then they can move onto the next animal in need!
I didnt say anything about rescues not taking in ill animals, what I said was rehoming ill animals, as in a rescue rehoming them on to other people knowing that they are ill.

I have already said I agree that some people ask too much for a "rehoming" fee, I also get very angry at people using the "we are a rescue" thing to get cheap or free reps to then just go and sell them on after a few days, we always keep a rep here for a bare min of 6 weeks, even those that have come to us as healthy reps.

As for the comment about my sentence being irresponsible statement, I was talking about individual people who set homing fee's too high and not rescues, I support all other rescues and the fee's they ask, as we know how hard it is too keep a rescue going...maybe i didnt explain myself enough with my other post ( I am rubbish at getting my point across sometimes !!) but what I was trying to say was if a person (not talking about rescues) is asking a high rehoming fee if no one rehomes the rep maybe it will make them rethink the rehoming fee...yet if someone pays that high rehoming fee, and others see people paying the high rehoming fee then what is too stop other people from asking a high rehoming fee...hope all that makes sense.
BUt at the same time I do think people should ask rehoming fee's as sadly you do get people wanting free reps to sell on, but aswell as asking a rehoming fee maybe people should do their best to make sure the person they rehome their rep to has the experence and means to care for their rep.

See now that makes sense But is it really fair for a rescue to rehome animals at the retail value or just slightly under ?

Originally Posted by alan66

My point of view is that a good home is worth more than the biggest donation or fee, and we are reasonably choosy for our animals. We have turned down dozens of wannabes, after a burmese or iggy, with no experience and daft questions, despite them offering the "going rate" or even more.

Now if all rescues were like that then it would be excellent but unfortunately it isn't, I would prefer to have a good home for them instead of some little 17 year child who only has a corn snake pays a rehome fee of £85 for a snappy 14ft albino Burmese because they paid the fee so they got it.

Originally Posted by Ferret1959

Well said Alan.




It's a shame the re-homing section is a bit of a free for all on here.

I wish people would understand that having a price on an animal DOES NOT secure a good home, it just allows those with more money than sense can cash in on a cheapish animal.

How about it a ruling that any animal unless posted by a rescue centre should not 'sell' for more than £10.

If it's more than a tenner it goes in classifieds.

Agreed !!!!!

Originally Posted by snickers

> I wish people would understand that having a price on an animal DOES NOT
> secure a good home, it just allows those with more money than sense can
> cash in on a cheapish animal.

Why should you be telling rescues what their policies should be. Several rescues have posted and it's obvious that they have thought about this subject in some depth. Probably even had arguements about it. Let them do their work how they want and you do yours how you want.

> How about it a ruling that any animal unless posted by a rescue centre
> should not 'sell' for more than £10.

Again why do you want to impose this on the notice board. If I want to rehome my animals for £20 I'll do it, and frankly you don't have much say in the matter.

Sorry but who do you think you are ? this is a serious thread warrenting serious responses,

For your first response made bold above : Because they are basically doing it underhandedly and need stopping because they aren't doing the hobby any favours every other day theres a new rescue just to get free reptiles. How many rescues do you know that would be willing to take in a 18ft Retic which is snappy as anything with an RI and a mouth abscess which needs a bath because it has three sheds stuck to it ? ? Hmmm I bet you could count them on one hand that would actually take it in. All the others would say sorry we don't have the room to accomodate the size of the snake but in actual fact a REAL RESCUE would do what ever they could be it finding it somewhere suitable for it to go or helping getting it vet treatment or offering advice or even taking it in theirselves!!! The wouldn't say sorry we don't take large snakes or we don't do this when in actual fact if you called them saying you had a 16ft Albino green granite burmese who was viv defensive I bet they would take it because they would see pound signs. So what are they doing are they a "Rescue" or are they indeed looking for what they can get for free and how much they can make!

And for your second sentance made in bold again : Well the Public and other Reptile keepers have every say in the matter and why is that because we are the ones who take those reptiles in from centers instead of letting them go to someone who doesn't have a clue and to make room for other reptiles that are in need!!! If it wasn't for the Reptile Community every single reptile rescue would be over run and would have to stop rescuing because they would run out of space.

So a little tip for you,

Do some research and homework before coming onto a thread which you clearly do not know much about and try causing an arguement with my dear friend Ferret.

[snickers]

> Then it would be a sale and could go in the classified section.

If you are so worried aboiuyt the porice of rehomes, and abuse of the classified/rehoming forums why don't you put a poll in the "Forum Help, Suggestions & News" forum, and try to persuade thje forum owner that it's time to change his policy.

Tempestas
> Sorry but who do you think you are ? this is a serious thread warrenting serious
> responses,

Just cos you don't like my reply doesn't mean I'm wrong or not serious it just means you don't like my reply - get over it

[tick]

Originally Posted by Ferret1959

If a snake, lizard or anything similar is in need of a new home due to illness or bad health do you think it's fair to charge market value?

I have taken in animals for a fee and ones for nothing, I provide a very good home and a life I can give them to the best of my ability.

I feel any animal needing urgent help should be offered foc to anyone who can do the same as me.

All this rubbish about putting freebie hunters off is crap.
Does it mean some one with cash can provide a better home?

If I was re-homing any animal I would do it on research of new owners ability, not cost.

Your feelings please.

Imho people on this forum want things for nothing and i mean nothing and rehoming fee translates into "I failed misserably to sell it in classifieds so im going to call it a rehoming fee" (bs) it's a rehoming fee.....its a price