DWA without a licence

[SiUK]

Originally Posted by Ssthisto

Actually, Mr. X won't make much money selling the animals because, with such a limited market for DWA animals, prices just CAN'T be sky-high. Last I checked, a diamondback rattler could cost less than a normal corn snake.

My atrox was £20 have seen them selling for less as well

[mrcarlxx]

Originally Posted by Ssthisto

Actually, Mr. X won't make much money selling the animals because, with such a limited market for DWA animals, prices just CAN'T be sky-high. Last I checked, a diamondback rattler could cost less than a normal corn snake.

And without the licence, I'm not sure Mr. X CAN sell them... certainly he can't sell them to anyone who doesn't have a licence.

But I sure can empathise with Mr. X on that one - if I'd been keeping an animal for twenty years legally, become attached to it and suddenly don't have the financial means to pay a high council licence fee... how gutted would you be to have to sell an animal you've cared for for the last two decades?

I very much like some DWA species myself - Gilas among them - but when or if we decide to make that step it is going to be with the full knowledge and acceptance of our local council.

well i was lieing slightly, i do like the look of some of them allot!...but i am way to slow to even get out the way or a royal trying to tag me, let alone something with fangs...so on that point i just dont see/feel the need for myself to own one....

the one i like is black with yellow stripes on it and i think it lives in oz, know what it is?

[mythicdawn07]

Originally Posted by MJ75

I think the people who see the license cost as unnecesary should ask themselves, if they get hit by a car when travelling themselves would they think :-

A) I hope he's got insurance.

B) Ah well, it was his fault but it doesn't matter if he's no insurance as it's an uneccesary cost So I'll just deal with the costs I have to incur even though it's not my fault.

So if YOU suffered injury and costs because you were injured by a neighbours DWA pet what would you think then? Would you want the keeper prosecuted? Would you take civil action against the keeper? Or would you want both? It's a no brainer for me......

i think insurance is a total scam aswell, insurance should only cover YOU. so if you dont have insurance and get hit then it should be your fault, and the fact that insurance goes up after you have made a claim is rediclious.

But thats for another discussion.

[Caz]

Originally Posted by HABU

DWA keepers shouldn't be smug... having haves and have nots invites smug-ness...


a ten year old can keep a rattlesnake here and do...


... educate, not intimidate.

I have to agree totally. I know plenty of experianced sensible keepers that would be perfectly capable of owning a a reptile requiring a DWAL. Paying there local district councils EHD a fee for a vet check and a certificate makes no difference to their capabilitys.

(I used to keep DWAL animals but don't at the mo - so perhaps my opinion is not vaild )

[stuartdouglas]

Originally Posted by Caz

As a side note, is the DWA itself legal or does it infringe the human rights of members of an EU Country..?

It isn't legal, but nobody has the money to take on the Uk government and win on a case such as this

[ian14]

Originally Posted by stuartdouglas

It isn't legal, but nobody has the money to take on the Uk government and win on a case such as this

I am not sure that this is the case, because it does not provide a complete ban on individuals keeping these species. If that was the case, then it would breach the Human Rights Act, however, because it allows you to keep them under licence then I cannot see that it is in breach of any Article. The fact that councils charge, in some cases, extortionate prices is neither here nor there, the argument would be that if you want to keep them there is nothing to stop you, but you have to pay the costs involved.

[ryanr1987]

Nope i wouldn't report them. up to them what they do

[paulrimmer69]

Originally Posted by mythicdawn07

i think insurance is a total scam aswell, insurance should only cover YOU. so if you dont have insurance and get hit then it should be your fault, and the fact that insurance goes up after you have made a claim is rediclious.

But thats for another discussion.

the whole point of public liability insurance is to cover any member of the public who may be harmed by the animals you keep, if you get bitten the nhs covers any medical bills, same way the reason its the law to insure your car, not to cover you, its to cover anyone you may hit and injure

[mythicdawn07]

Originally Posted by paulrimmer69

the whole point of public liability insurance is to cover any member of the public who may be harmed by the animals you keep, if you get bitten the nhs covers any medical bills, same way the reason its the law to insure your car, not to cover you, its to cover anyone you may hit and injure

then people who own dogs, cats and do the hundreds of thousands of things that endanger peoples lifes by the SLIGHTEST should also have to pay a yearly fee.

Your kidding yourself if you believe thats the reason they charge you so much, It's like believing adding 10% extra tax to alcohol will stop people drinking so much. Its to line peoples pockets nothing else.

[paulrimmer69]

Originally Posted by mythicdawn07

then people who own dogs, cats and do the hundreds of thousands of things that endanger peoples lifes by the SLIGHTEST should also have to pay a yearly fee.

Your kidding yourself if you believe thats the reason they charge you so much, It's like believing adding 10% extra tax to alcohol will stop people drinking so much. Its to line peoples pockets nothing else.

fair point but if your dog escapes and seriously injures someone you can be taken to court and sued plus lose your dog, if you own an animal which you know if it did escape could easily kill or seriously injure someone in my opinion its worth a couple of hundred quid a year to cover your back