DWA list question

[ViperLover]

Originally Posted by ian14

And where would you house the thousands of giants which cannot be legalley kept because the owners simply cannot afford to get the licence??
Giants were considered for inclusion in the 2007 review, and turned down, The reason is that inclusion on Schedule 1 is very specific - to protect the public. It is not to do with protecting the owner, but to ensure they are kept in a way that minimises any threat/risk/danger to members of the public ie they can't escape. Hence the need, in the case of DWA snakes, that the room is also made secure, so that if they did escape from the viv, they cannot get any further.
How likely is it in the UK that a 15 foot python could sneak up unseen if it escaped?
For this reason, it was decided that their inclusion was unwarranted.

It is possible. These animals are very dangerous and deserve more then a pat on the back to keepers keeping them.

They are specialist animals....As along with Venomous snakes and can be a danger.

This needs to be re-viewed instead of waiting for an accident to happen before taking action.

[kelboy]

Originally Posted by ViperLover

It is possible. These animals are very dangerous and deserve more then a pat on the back to keepers keeping them.

They are specialist animals....As along with Venomous snakes and can be a danger.

This needs to be re-viewed instead of waiting for an accident to happen before taking action.

It has been reviewed. They weren't added. Find how many incidents there have been of people in the UK being injured and post them here. It'll be interesting to see what you can come back with.

[ian14]

Originally Posted by ViperLover

It is possible. These animals are very dangerous and deserve more then a pat on the back to keepers keeping them.

They are specialist animals....As along with Venomous snakes and can be a danger.

This needs to be re-viewed instead of waiting for an accident to happen before taking action.

Sorry, it is not possible to house them all - they would all be destroyed. Licenced keepers would not take them, zoos would have no space and you can hardly hide a fully grown conda or burm!

There have also, to my knowledge, been no deaths in the UK caused by these animals.

[leecb0]

VIPERLOVER
By your own admission on a previous thread you admit you dont own any reptiles let alone snakes and that you are 16 with no experience. I agree you have a right to freedom of speech and i defend your rights, but also you must think about this. your opinion has no relevence due to the fact you have never owened or experience of these animals that you want to ban. If you were a respected keeper with years of experience you may have more of a point, but there are many people on this and other forums including myself that have kept large Boids and non have ever declared there support for placing these animals on the DWA schedual.

There are many hobbies that are far more dangerouse than keeping herps for instance iuntill about a year ago raced dragsters people get seriose injuries and sometimes may die like many other motor sports but that is a legal pursuit with noone calling to ban it.
if we were to ban everything that has the slightest possibility people could get hurt or killed it would be a sad world

May i suggest that if you are as you say intereted in keeping herps keep your opinions to yourself untill you can qualify and back up your statements with hard facts gained through experience.
P.S. are you Stacy by any chance.

[ViperLover]

Originally Posted by leecb0

VIPERLOVER
By your own admission on a previous thread you admit you dont own any reptiles let alone snakes and that you are 16 with no experience. I agree you have a right to freedom of speech and i defend your rights, but also you must think about this. your opinion has no relevence due to the fact you have never owened or experience of these animals that you want to ban. If you were a respected keeper with years of experience you may have more of a point, but there are many people on this and other forums including myself that have kept large Boids and non have ever declared there support for placing these animals on the DWA schedual.

There are many hobbies that are far more dangerouse than keeping herps for instance iuntill about a year ago raced dragsters people get seriose injuries and sometimes may die like many other motor sports but that is a legal pursuit with noone calling to ban it.
if we were to ban everything that has the slightest possibility people could get hurt or killed it would be a sad world

May i suggest that if you are as you say intereted in keeping herps keep your opinions to yourself untill you can qualify and back up your statements with hard facts gained through experience.
P.S. are you Stacy by any chance.

Who the hell is Stacey?

I just feel that these animals should be more respected and only kept by experienced keepers.

Beecause in most cases....a "Newbie" keeper will often "get rid" of these animals when they get too large to handle.

[Genseric]

You do understand where people are coming from however, right?

I wouldn't tell a F1 driver how to race, or a champion jockey how to ride... not unless I had been a F1 driver or jockey myself.

Your enthusiasm is great, but you are narrowing your mind already... at least get your hands dirty and have something concrete to reflect upon, and so pass experience on.

[leecb0]

Originally Posted by ViperLover

Who the hell is Stacey?

I just feel that these animals should be more respected and only kept by experienced keepers.

Beecause in most cases....a "Newbie" keeper will often "get rid" of these animals when they get too large to handle.

I think you will find that most people who keep large pythons etc ARE experienced keepers.
I ran a reptile rescue some years ago when there were only a couple in the country and yes we did take in a few boids from "inexperienced " keepers usually cos they were getting to big rather than aggressive, although there were a couple i fondly remember. but not that many, and they were usually purchased as fairly large specimens on a whim or given wrong advice on how big they get buy the shop they got it from.
but to be fair if you buy a hatchling by the time its 10 foot they have owned it for aprox 3 years they then have 3 years experience with burmese pythons. And considering you were looking to get Venomous in 2 years time and you dont own a snake yet then i think you blow your own argument to pieces abit there.

now going off the subject a little in another post you ask Mark about Hognose snakes well why not try this website for starters www.thehognosesnake.co.uk all the info you need to keep this animal will be on here. The Internet is a wonderfull tool and i wish it was around when i was your age. also this forum has a whole wealth of people who will be only to glad to help you, just keep your opinions quite for now ask questions by all means but remember 90% or more people on this forum have more working knowledge than you and will soon loose patience with people spouting unqualifiable opinions.
i wish you the best with finding a suitable first snake and hope you continue within the hobby

[Rybe]

Originally Posted by leecb0

VIPERLOVER
By your own admission on a previous thread you admit you dont own any reptiles let alone snakes and that you are 16 with no experience. I agree you have a right to freedom of speech and i defend your rights, but also you must think about this. your opinion has no relevence due to the fact you have never owened or experience of these animals that you want to ban. If you were a respected keeper with years of experience you may have more of a point, but there are many people on this and other forums including myself that have kept large Boids and non have ever declared there support for placing these animals on the DWA schedual.

There are many hobbies that are far more dangerouse than keeping herps for instance iuntill about a year ago raced dragsters people get seriose injuries and sometimes may die like many other motor sports but that is a legal pursuit with noone calling to ban it.
if we were to ban everything that has the slightest possibility people could get hurt or killed it would be a sad world

May i suggest that if you are as you say intereted in keeping herps keep your opinions to yourself untill you can qualify and back up your statements with hard facts gained through experience.
P.S. are you Stacy by any chance.

Round of applause for the most elegant argumentative post! Well done!

Well my question was answered, so I'm with xxstaggyxx, should be interesting to see how this thread stops...

[Owzy]

Originally Posted by leecb0

VIPERLOVER
By your own admission on a previous thread you admit you dont own any reptiles let alone snakes and that you are 16 with no experience. I agree you have a right to freedom of speech and i defend your rights, but also you must think about this. your opinion has no relevence due to the fact you have never owened or experience of these animals that you want to ban. If you were a respected keeper with years of experience you may have more of a point, but there are many people on this and other forums including myself that have kept large Boids and non have ever declared there support for placing these animals on the DWA schedual.

There are many hobbies that are far more dangerouse than keeping herps for instance iuntill about a year ago raced dragsters people get seriose injuries and sometimes may die like many other motor sports but that is a legal pursuit with noone calling to ban it.
if we were to ban everything that has the slightest possibility people could get hurt or killed it would be a sad world

May i suggest that if you are as you say intereted in keeping herps keep your opinions to yourself untill you can qualify and back up your statements with hard facts gained through experience.
P.S. are you Stacy by any chance.

Firm but fair.

[SiUK]

Large constrictors should not be covered by the DWA act, no one has ever been seriously hurt by a large constrictor in the UK, and they have been around for a long time, for decades people have been keeping them here, there are alot more commonly kept animals that are far more dangerous. In truth theres obviously not that many people that think they should be either, because the list of people and organisations who were consulted about the DWA act changes was vast.

Also the child that was killed in the US a little while ago was by a snake that was being kept illegally anyway I believe, so a licensing system didnt really help them.