Starting a Venomous snake collection.

[paulrimmer69]

Originally Posted by ViperLover

In some way it is true....

But an experienced and sensible keeper has the right to keep these animals. If the keeper was in-experienced of only say 2 or so years. Then I would gladly accept the idea of saying "No DWA in the property"

if you are in rented accomodation and the owner of the property says pets are not allowed then surely u dont have the right???? one or two non venomous you might get away with but when you have to convert a room to include a double door, bars across the window etc i doubt many landlords will agree to it

[snakedude]

Originally Posted by Mark O'Shea

By the way, SW-Morelia, sorry for the renaming, slip of the keyboard.
But a correction for you too, I'm afraid.
I do not recall being at uni with the person you mention and he certainly is not my friend! Leading expert on crocodilians, LOL !
A few years these two reported PH quotes were doing the rounds, from his days of doing raids on reptile keepers for the RSPCA:
"we seized the spectacled caiman because it was not being kept in conditions conducive with its native Papua New Guinea" and "why is the false water cobra the only cobra not on the DWAA?"
If these quotes are true they are quite damning.

Mark, I have no doubt that knowing Mr H as well as I did these quotes are most likely to be true!

I was pleased to see someone praise John Foden as a help in their past, he was a long time friend of mine right from when I was a kid and turned up to see him with a sick dice snake. Although John was only a few years older he seemed much older because he was a "zoo keeper"!
His passing in 1999 was a very sad day for British reptile keeping.

I really hate to appear picky and correct you on John's sad death Mark, it was 4th March 2000 when we lost a great figure and a great friend to many, myself included. I will never forget getting the phone call telling me he'd gone, I was planning a visit to the hospital the next day but sadly too late.

Anyways, hope you are well, it's been a while since I last saw you at the snake nights, not been since moving house to Stoke.

Kind regards,

Mike.

P.S
I know this is totally off topic and would've done this via pm ordinarily but couldn't.

[ViperLover]

Originally Posted by snakedude

Kind regards,

Mike.

P.S
I know this is totally off topic and would've done this via pm ordinarily but couldn't.

No worries....This is a Thread for all.

What did he pass of? If you dont mind me asking.

[ViperLover]

Originally Posted by paulrimmer69

if you are in rented accomodation and the owner of the property says pets are not allowed then surely u dont have the right???? one or two non venomous you might get away with but when you have to convert a room to include a double door, bars across the window etc i doubt many landlords will agree to it

Landlords...Maybe not.

But if it's you're own home....Mortgage or fully paid off....Then its you're business what you do....aslong as it's legal and lisenced and insured

[snakedude]

Originally Posted by ViperLover

No worries....This is a Thread for all.

What did he pass of? If you dont mind me asking.

To avoid clogging the thread, you have pm.

Kind regards,

Mike

[ViperLover]

Originally Posted by Mark O'Shea

Okay SW Morelia, we will see if I have anything to contribute in the future.
There are certain aspects of captive herps that bother me ie. DWAA and the disorganisation and misunderstandings (faults on both sides), antivenom (expiry dates - this is not a piece chicken from ASDA), venomoids (a crime against the snake), interspecific hybridisation (another crime, playing God), mihilisitic nomenclature (the unwarrented naming of species for personal edification = RH), but sometimes it is good to just chew the fat!

Mark

Mark,

When will there be another series of O'Shea's Big Adventure? Or other shows like that.

I really enjoyed that series

Also....

A Western Hognosed Snake...

Tell me about it's venom please. I have heard it's Rear-Fanged Venomous....But the venom is so mild it's lighter then a Bee Sting.

Would this be a good first snake to start with? Ditching the idea of a FWC.

They are fairly easy to keep so I am told...Good for getting husbandry experience and are fairly docile.

Once I am used to seeing what theyre like....Then I can move to the more agressive Non-Vens such as a Black Racer (If I can get one that's NOT imported from the US and bread here)

Also....The Adder (Vipera berus) Please tell me about it's venom also.

Deaths have been reported....but not for many years. If this was legal to keep for private keepers....Would it be on the DWA List?

[paulrimmer69]

all species of viper are on dwa, have a look at the thread entitled 'complete list of dwa' on page 2 of the dwa section

[Owzy]

Originally Posted by Mark O'Shea

Okay SW Morelia, we will see if I have anything to contribute in the future.
There are certain aspects of captive herps that bother me ie. DWAA and the disorganisation and misunderstandings (faults on both sides), antivenom (expiry dates - this is not a piece chicken from ASDA), venomoids (a crime against the snake), interspecific hybridisation (another crime, playing God), mihilisitic nomenclature (the unwarrented naming of species for personal edification = RH), but sometimes it is good to just chew the fat!

Mark

I think everyone agress that guy is major scum.

[ian14]

Originally Posted by ViperLover

Mark,

When will there be another series of O'Shea's Big Adventure? Or other shows like that.

I really enjoyed that series

Also....

A Western Hognosed Snake...

Tell me about it's venom please. I have heard it's Rear-Fanged Venomous....But the venom is so mild it's lighter then a Bee Sting.

Would this be a good first snake to start with? Ditching the idea of a FWC.

They are fairly easy to keep so I am told...Good for getting husbandry experience and are fairly docile.

Once I am used to seeing what theyre like....Then I can move to the more agressive Non-Vens such as a Black Racer (If I can get one that's NOT imported from the US and bread here)

Also....The Adder (Vipera berus) Please tell me about it's venom also.

Deaths have been reported....but not for many years. If this was legal to keep for private keepers....Would it be on the DWA List?

May I politely suggest that you start at the beginning and work your way up. You are 16 years old, want to get into snake keeping by keeping venomous species, and clearly have no understanding of the DWA, or snake keeping in general.
Adders are vipers, and so are restricted by the DWA.
To play down the effect of any venom by saying "it is so mild it is lighter than a bee sting" is ridiculous - don't forget that there have been plenty of deaths from bee stings! And ask any one who has had an envenomated bite from a hognose - they are not pleasant at all. Of course, compared to an elapid or viper bite, they are mild, but the effects are very unpleasant, in one case leading to permanent damage to the immune system.
If you have the intention of going into venomous, great, but accept that you are a complete beginner, and need to gain practical experience of snake keeping BEFORE thinking about this any further.

[stuartdouglas]

Originally Posted by ian14

May I politely suggest that you start at the beginning and work your way up. You are 16 years old, want to get into snake keeping by keeping venomous species, and clearly have no understanding of the DWA, or snake keeping in general.
Adders are vipers, and so are restricted by the DWA.
To play down the effect of any venom by saying "it is so mild it is lighter than a bee sting" is ridiculous - don't forget that there have been plenty of deaths from bee stings! And ask any one who has had an envenomated bite from a hognose - they are not pleasant at all. Of course, compared to an elapid or viper bite, they are mild, but the effects are very unpleasant, in one case leading to permanent damage to the immune system.
If you have the intention of going into venomous, great, but accept that you are a complete beginner, and need to gain practical experience of snake keeping BEFORE thinking about this any further.

you beat me to it!
Viperlover, let me show you this..................
This was from a snake whose venom is widely regarded as being, like that of the hoggy, no worse than a bee sting...........




That was from a non-DWA, rear fanged snake. It sent me to A&E in a lot of pain, gave me neurological symptoms and worried me that i would lose part, if not all of my thumb through necrosis.

(Most) people on this section speak from experience. Don't rush into something where you may quickly find yourself way out of your depth. Certainly don't take any rear fanged for granted.