Starting a Venomous snake collection.

[Jczreptiles]

Originally Posted by ViperLover

To treat a minor Cytotoxic bite....that didn't require serum say from a baby or a neonate...Would a course of antibiotics be given?

Is necrosis a form of infection??

I was always under the impression that a bite from a baby or a neonate is just as potent as an adult just less capacity.

[ViperLover]

Originally Posted by Jczreptiles

Does anyone know if those 'venom extracter' pumps actualy work? I would imagine the venom would have done a full lap of the body before you would actualy had the time to use it.

I think I remember Mark O'Shea...or somebody similar meantioning in one of their Documentaries that the extracters don't work very well, and they dont get rid of all of it. Could be wrong though, I've heard of a few people using them

[ViperLover]

Originally Posted by Jczreptiles

I was always under the impression that a bite from a baby or a neonate is just as potent as an adult just less capacity.

Yeah, but less venom = less damage? So less treatment? Thats what I thought, so thats why I asked...

[SiUK]

The extractor pumps dont work there has been several studies on them, it was mentioned recently on the forum I think in a thread on classifieds.

Necrosis is cell and tissue death usually around the bite goes black and basically rots away (not a technical term ) but it can happen at other places away from the bite area after an envenomation.

A neonate potentially could inject less and not be as bad but you still wouldnt want to get tagged by one, go back over PDRs posts and see where he explained what happened when he got bitten by a young rattler, just because its small doesnt neccesarily mean that a bit is going to be less serious

[ViperLover]

Originally Posted by SiUK

The extractor pumps dont work there has been several studies on them, it was mentioned recently on the forum I think in a thread on classifieds.

Necrosis is cell and tissue death usually around the bite goes black and basically rots away (not a technical term ) but it can happen at other places away from the bite area after an envenomation.

A neonate potentially could inject less and not be as bad but you still wouldnt want to get tagged by one, go back over PDRs posts and see where he explained what happened when he got bitten by a young rattler, just because its small doesnt neccesarily mean that a bit is going to be less serious

Ahh so it's just the venom killing the cells....Not an infection inherrited by bacteria within the venom itself? I wondered why in some cases Antibiotics have been given....? A guy on Facebook sent me a link to a few pictures of a baby Puff adder bite...He went on further saying no A/V was administered, he was just given a course of strong antibiotics.

His whole arm was black and blue....probably from necrosis.

[SiUK]

severe bruising is caused by blood cells under the skin being destroyed. Anti biotics are given but not as the sole form of treatment, it would be part of a bigger picture, but il let someone that can explain better than me tell you the reason why and more in depth, because im not totally sure.

[ViperLover]

Originally Posted by SiUK

severe bruising is caused by blood cells under the skin being destroyed. Anti biotics are given but not as the sole form of treatment, it would be part of a bigger picture, but il let someone that can explain better than me tell you the reason why and more in depth, because im not totally sure.

I may forward this post to somebody like PDR or Mark O'Shea if I can....not sure how to forward posts. I am really unsure and confused about this.

[stuartdouglas]

necrosis from venom effects can't be "cured" with antibiotics, however there is a strong risk of secondary infection setting in whenever there is exposed "wet" flesh, as occurs when necrotic tissue "sloughs"
The bruising that occurs from bites is as a result, as Si said, of the venom components breaking down the walls of the blood vessels and allowing subcutaneous haemorrhaging.

[SiUK]

there you go, cheers Stu. Thought it had to be to do with secondary infection but wasnt 100% so didnt want to spout stuff I wasnt sure on

[AZUK]

Originally Posted by stuartdouglas

necrosis from venom effects can't be "cured" with antibiotics, however there is a strong risk of secondary infection setting in whenever there is exposed "wet" flesh, as occurs when necrotic tissue "sloughs"
The bruising that occurs from bites is as a result, as Si said, of the venom components breaking down the walls of the blood vessels and allowing subcutaneous haemorrhaging.

wot he said


extractor pumps are little or no good for a majority of envenomations and only really work when the snake bite in question comes from a species which relies on a large venom veld