Marmosets and Toucan's sold in pet shop

[SisterMoonbeam]

I have read on another forum that a pet shop in manchester is selling marmosets and toucans (in horrific conditions). I am pretty sure most of you know this shop as i have seen it mentioned on here before now. I was wondering what the legislation surrounding this practice is. I know they are probably not DWA but does this mean that any pet shop can go to a dealer (albeit a pretty poor dealer) and sell these animals?

Maybe Nerys or Rory could shed some light on this as they know more about this stuff i would hazard a guess?

The exotic pet trade is heading in very bad directions if this is allowed to happen!!

[Moshpitviper]

Originally Posted by SisterMoonbeam

I have read on another forum that a pet shop in manchester is selling marmosets and toucans (in horrific conditions). I am pretty sure most of you know this shop as i have seen it mentioned on here before now. I was wondering what the legislation surrounding this practice is. I know they are probably not DWA but does this mean that any pet shop can go to a dealer (albeit a pretty poor dealer) and sell these animals?

Maybe Nerys or Rory could shed some light on this as they know more about this stuff i would hazard a guess?

The exotic pet trade is heading in very bad directions if this is allowed to happen!!

This is nothing new unfortunately. you'd need to complain to the Local EHO

[TSKA Rory Matier]

Originally Posted by Moshpitviper

This is nothing new unfortunately. you'd need to complain to the Local EHO

I am afraid l can add nothing new to this threads content either, except l agree with Dave.

If you feel that the conditions in which the animals are being sold contravenes the animal welfare act, then l strongly suggest that you either ring or visit the environmental health officer for the area and make your complaints known to them.

Trade in primates and exotic animals is going to the dogs at present, there is way too little enforcement done, but unless complaints are made, then there will continue to be no advancement in this direction.

In what way do you think the animals are not being housed properly?

Is it housing, diet, display?

This is what you must state, but have you voiced your concerns with the store in question?

I dont know the store and am not asking on this thread, but is this the first time they have sold primates?

If they are deliberatly flouting animal welfare issues then you will have a case - however if it just compromises what your own personal opinions are then that will be a different matter altogether.

Regulations governing the sales of exotics within the pet trade need hammering down and at present are too all open for abuse for some species be these mammals or reptiles it makes for no difference.

The point is this however - be very sure about your complaint, because the pet store may not be breaking the guidelines that their very own council passes to them under the PSL.

Sorry as said, l can not be of any further assistance - if however you wish to pm me directly please feel free or alternately email me on rory@piedipers.f2s.com

R
TSKA Exotics

[SisterMoonbeam]

Originally Posted by TSKA Rory Matier

I am afraid l can add nothing new to this threads content either, except l agree with Dave.

If you feel that the conditions in which the animals are being sold contravenes the animal welfare act, then l strongly suggest that you either ring or visit the environmental health officer for the area and make your complaints known to them.

Trade in primates and exotic animals is going to the dogs at present, there is way too little enforcement done, but unless complaints are made, then there will continue to be no advancement in this direction.

In what way do you think the animals are not being housed properly?

Is it housing, diet, display?

This is what you must state, but have you voiced your concerns with the store in question?

I dont know the store and am not asking on this thread, but is this the first time they have sold primates?

If they are deliberatly flouting animal welfare issues then you will have a case - however if it just compromises what your own personal opinions are then that will be a different matter altogether.

Regulations governing the sales of exotics within the pet trade need hammering down and at present are too all open for abuse for some species be these mammals or reptiles it makes for no difference.

The point is this however - be very sure about your complaint, because the pet store may not be breaking the guidelines that their very own council passes to them under the PSL.

Sorry as said, l can not be of any further assistance - if however you wish to pm me directly please feel free or alternately email me on rory@piedipers.f2s.com

R
TSKA Exotics

Thanks for the reply! I haven't personally seen the shop but from reading what was written by someone who has it appears that 4 marmosets were being kept in one small parrot cage.

As i haven't personally seen the shop i couldn't possibly make a complaint but I was just wondering if this happens a lot as i have never heard/seen it before but by the sounds of it this shop is setting a very bad example of competent exotic animal keeping.

Also, by the sounds of it, it is not just the exotic mammals and birds being kept badly. The reps (as i have heard on here before) and domestic mammals are also in very bad states (dirty, small enclosures, no enrichment, mixed species of snakes piled on top of each other etc).

[Pouchie]

Originally Posted by SisterMoonbeam

does this mean that any pet shop can go to a dealer (albeit a pretty poor dealer) and sell these animals?

The answer is yes. IF the petshop has these species listed on its own individual pet shop licence, it can legally sell them.

[Athravan]

Originally Posted by Pouchie

The answer is yes. IF the petshop has these species listed on its own individual pet shop licence, it can legally sell them.

As above, the shop has to be correctly licensed, and if it is licensed, but is not keeping the species in accordance with the licensing terms or the AWA it is the local council (licensing department) who can choose to remove the license altogether, or restrict the species that are sold. Unfortunately it is a bit like the postcode lottery - some councils are very strict, others simply are not as there is currently no UK wide pet shop licensing, only county by county... the animal welfare act applies across the whole of the UK though!

[bobbydazzler75]

Originally Posted by SisterMoonbeam

I have read on another forum that a pet shop in manchester is selling marmosets and toucans (in horrific conditions). I am pretty sure most of you know this shop as i have seen it mentioned on here before now. I was wondering what the legislation surrounding this practice is. I know they are probably not DWA but does this mean that any pet shop can go to a dealer (albeit a pretty poor dealer) and sell these animals?

Maybe Nerys or Rory could shed some light on this as they know more about this stuff i would hazard a guess?

The exotic pet trade is heading in very bad directions if this is allowed to happen!!

the toucans are not for sale.the toco is the shops mascot, he's on the staff badges and stuff.the manager said he was offered 5k for the toco and refused and the other one to him was priceless as its hand tame with a certificate.i wouldn't say they were in horrific conditions though, both are separately caged on the counter.

[jpster]

Which shop?Ive no problem with going through the legalities for the sake of the animals

Jpster

[Trice]

Originally Posted by jpster

Which shop?Ive no problem with going through the legalities for the sake of the animals

Jpster

You might not. But the forum does. Naming shops for such purposes are not allowed on here.

[Caz]

Originally Posted by SisterMoonbeam

Thanks for the reply! I haven't personally seen the shop but from reading what was written by someone who has it appears that 4 marmosets were being kept in one small parrot cage.

As i haven't personally seen the shop i couldn't possibly make a complaint but I was just wondering if this happens a lot as i have never heard/seen it before but by the sounds of it this shop is setting a very bad example of competent exotic animal keeping.

Also, by the sounds of it, it is not just the exotic mammals and birds being kept badly. The reps (as i have heard on here before) and domestic mammals are also in very bad states (dirty, small enclosures, no enrichment, mixed species of snakes piled on top of each other etc).

Hearsay then. YOU go have a look THEN report back.

(not defending the shop - just fed up with 'a mates mate said... type posts.)