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[Emmaj]

Originally Posted by adamntitch

aww ok i see now but why did they make it illegal if its not cruil and does them no harm

because it was the next best thing to having them banned as pets which they didnt do


just a theroy lol


but they probs thought that if they could no longer be descented then noone would buy them...............so people would stop breeding them

but it didnt work how they planned it out

thats just a theory lol so dont go thinking i know why they decided to ban descenting as i dont know really cos i agree its not harmfull to the animal

[Buriram]

Originally Posted by adamntitch

ok av been thinking how come people moan and say dont keep monkeys on there own but then most people keep dogs on there own and there a pack animal most people keep descented skunks but then does that mean they agree with removing large cats teeth to stop them biteing and snakes fangs to stop them invenomating when its the same its there devense people keep one cockateil budgie or parrot when there flock animals so whats so diffrent and i know people will say o but the people become the parrots flock and the owners are the dogs pack but then i hand reared monkey would think of the people as its troop so come on whats so diffrent

1000s of years is essentially the difference. Domestic dogs are not pack animals (although their ancestors were). Dogs are simply human domesticates. Primates are not.

[HABU]

when i was a teen, my best friend had a squirrel monkey. it did just fine. he never had any problems and the thing wasn't mental at all. but monkeys aren't IMO to be taken casually. they are sofisticated, thinking creatures, not something aquired out of impulse.

[xXFooFooLaFluffXx]

Originally Posted by Art_Gecko101

I wouldnt keep a bird as a pet full stop, not that i have anything against anyone who does keep them, i just prefer to see them flying around free rather than in a cage or someones house.

do you not prefer to see lizards in their own habitats rather than in glass tanks or vivs then? its your opinion and im in no way havin a go at it but if freedom to a bird is flyin around, isnt freedom to a lizard scrambling around in its own natural surroundings and not in an exo terra or viv? i dont disagree with keeping anything as a pet purely for the reason that i would feel very hypocritical as i keep many things and wouldnt feel right sayin i dont think you should keep one thing as a pet but yet agree that you can keep another. The RSPCA woman asked me did i not think it was tight keepin a skunk as a pet.....yet in her next breath she said she had 2 african greys at home

dont think im havin a go art, im merely debatin cos i find it interestin what you say and am even more interested in your answer, or anyone elses in general who agree with keepin one thing but disagree with keepin another

[Art_Gecko101]

Hi Cat, just saw your reply! Yea, I can't really explain my objection fully, as you say, its not significantly different from keeping lizards in vivs. I think it stems from the fact that the species i tend to keep dont appear (through the research ive been able to do through my uni at least) to have massive home ranges. Most reptiles tend to be pretty secretive and not travel great distances so as to conserve energy (of course there are some that do like with everything there are exceptions!lol) whereas many birds migrate, and flock and fly together in big elaborate displays, and i think its knowing that they can't exhibit those natural behaviours that stops me wanting them as pets. Also this feeling's been compounded by the numerous parrots i've seen caged in petshops that are basically bald and bleeding from plucking their own feathers from stress. That really saddens me, its as bad as a monkey being kept alone IMO.

As I said before, i've no objection to other people's decisions to keep them, so long as theyre kept right of course. I guess to summarize, i feel that the way I keep my lizards and frogs still allows them to exhibit most, if not all of the natural behaviours they would normally... they hide in the day in real plants and branches, hunt for their insects and find their fruit (in the form of CGD admittedly) using their smell, interact with one another in the group and climb and jump around the viv (which isn't as big as they'd have in the wild no, but they apparently don't travel great distances normally anyway). With a bird, especially those kept singly, i guess i can see that caging it is stopping a lot of its natural behaviours, like the flocking etc i mentioned before.

with regards to the RSPCA woman, i cant see her argument at all, keeping a skunk is no worse, IMO better, than keeping African Greys as pets. Neither are domestic, neither can be kept in a 'realistic' natural setting, etc. Skunks dont seem to adapt badly to home life, it wouldnt surprise me if they become as common as chinchillas before too long, but African Greys are extremely intelligent and often end up with disorders from being kept.

Just my opinion Cat, I hope you dont think i'm meaning any of this toward you! just explaining myself and my opinion like you asked! lol

Originally Posted by xXFooFooLaFluffXx

do you not prefer to see lizards in their own habitats rather than in glass tanks or vivs then? its your opinion and im in no way havin a go at it but if freedom to a bird is flyin around, isnt freedom to a lizard scrambling around in its own natural surroundings and not in an exo terra or viv? i dont disagree with keeping anything as a pet purely for the reason that i would feel very hypocritical as i keep many things and wouldnt feel right sayin i dont think you should keep one thing as a pet but yet agree that you can keep another. The RSPCA woman asked me did i not think it was tight keepin a skunk as a pet.....yet in her next breath she said she had 2 african greys at home

dont think im havin a go art, im merely debatin cos i find it interestin what you say and am even more interested in your answer, or anyone elses in general who agree with keepin one thing but disagree with keepin another