ferret kits iv bred and keeping

[Shell195]

Originally Posted by LoveForLizards

*speaks from experience*
It's also cruel to have rescues knee deep in ferrets, having them jump at the cages everytime you walk up to them, their eyes thinking you will be getting them out for a cuddle and a play on the garden, when really you are picking out the "un-adoptable" ferrets to be taken to different rescues, foster homes and the vets - to be PTS because rescues can't afford to keep them alive and keep turning away ferrets that can go on to have a great life with a responsible family. It's not their fault, its the way they were raised, breeders expecting to make a quick cash but when the small, mal-nourished kits don't sell because others see sense they are boxed up and dumped outside a rescues door. If RESPONSIBLE PET AND WORKING owners didn't neuter their pets and workers god knows what it would be like. It's bad enough taking 10-15 ferrets a week to be PTS, let alone the hunreds/thousands that we would be if they didn't get neutered. I for one think saying that ferrets SHOULD be bred from is extremely irresponsible, uncaring and cruel. It's strange you say neutering is cruel, when it stops many fatal illnesses. How very odd.

*puts on crash helmet and waits for the bollocking bandwagon to tell me how wrong I am when they really don't have an idea in hell what its like to own a rescue watching thousands of ferrets come in and out of the doors every year, often times being abandoned and brought in by the resuce owners or being taken out by foster homes to take them to be PTS at the vets and then sent off to be incinerated because it costs too much to cremate 10-50 ferrets*

I dont think you need a crash helmet at all as what you are saying is very true. I actually posted that Hullhunter should talk to ferret recues to see what they thought of his opinion so I am glad you replied

[hullhunter]

can you lot not read i sold all my ferrets to people who i no. so i no what the homes that thay have gon to are like if i didnt think they were good homes than i would not have sold them them.

[CKM]

Originally Posted by hullhunter

can you lot not read i sold all my ferrets to people who i no. so i no what the homes that thay have gon to are like if i didnt think they were good homes than i would not have sold them them.

Fair enough! So you have good working homes for each of your kits to go to... that's convenient.

But putting a message out to people that they shouldn't spay a Jill and breed her is just stupid imo. Not everyone who owns Ferrets knows people who will have their kits and keep them, not many people who own Ferrets have a clue about breeding. The poor Ferrets really don't need their owners breeding them when they haven't a clue what they're doing or don't even know what homes they're gonna go to!

[LoveForLizards]

Originally Posted by hullhunter

but steralisation is just some think i have neva liked but that is just my view.

Fair enough, we are all entitled to our own opinions but to tell somebody that it is cruel is pretty disturbing to me as I know what it's like and what the poor animals go through when the owners don't have a clue.

Originally Posted by Shell195

I dont think you need a crash helmet at all as what you are saying is very true. I actually posted that Hullhunter should talk to ferret recues to see what they thought of his opinion so I am glad you replied

Thank god for that

Originally Posted by hullhunter

can you lot not read i sold all my ferrets to people who i no. so i no what the homes that thay have gon to are like if i didnt think they were good homes than i would not have sold them them.

But what about your kits kits? and your kits kits kits? etc. Are you going to know everybody they go to aswell should the owner decide to breed?

Originally Posted by CKM

But putting a message out to people that they shouldn't spay a Jill and breed her is just stupid imo. Not everyone who owns Ferrets knows people who will have their kits and keep them, not many people who own Ferrets have a clue about breeding. The poor Ferrets really don't need their owners breeding them when they haven't a clue what they're doing or don't even know what homes they're gonna go to!

+1

Oh and sorry to the OP for hijacking the thread. Got two stunners there, if ever the silver needs a new home.....

[hullhunter]

But what about your kits kits? and your kits kits kits? etc. Are you going to know everybody they go to aswell should the owner decide to breed?



and i supoze you can trace your ferrers blood lines bick to the wild stop been so perfetic

[mattm]

and i supoze you can trace your ferrers blood lines bick to the wild stop been so perfetic

But as far as I can tell, and this is just a wild guess, LoveForLizards doesn't breed ferrets? So there is no need to trace them.

All we're saying is, you can't just assume that your ferrets are going to good homes. You have to question people and make sure you give them sound advice, even if they do think they know it all. That is part of being a good breeder. You can do so in a way that is not patronising.

Do you think, hullhunter, that after reading some of the good posts people have made here, you have changed your mind about spaying & neutering? I would hope so. I'm not expecting you to say you agree with it because everybody is entitled to their opinion - but surely you can see there are a LOT of cases where spaying and neutering are ideal, and very useful procedures for the average ferret keeper.

If you know that each of those 72 (or however many it was) kits ended up in a very good, lifelong home, where they will spay and neuter if they cannot responsibly breed and home the kits, then I applaud you. I know quite a few people that keep ferrets too - but not enough that I could home 72 kits to them in one year. I don't know them all well enough to just assume they know what they're doing and just handing kits over. I find it hard to believe anyone does and would guess at least some are friend of friends, contacts friends have given you etc. I never knew working ferrets was such a popular hobby these days. In fact even if I was homing to a very good friend i'd still give them advice, wanted or unwanted. But I am happy to say I do not breed anyway.

To the OP - the kits are lovely, I can see why you've chosen to keep those!

[Rum_Kitty]

Originally Posted by hullhunter

But what about your kits kits? and your kits kits kits? etc. Are you going to know everybody they go to aswell should the owner decide to breed?



and i supoze you can trace your ferrers blood lines bick to the wild stop been so perfetic

Roflcopters. Perfect? Perfectic? Pathetic maybe? Hmm.

I think the point here is that saying you should ALWAYS breed rather than spay is a bad idea because if the owners arent prepared god knows where the kits are going to end up. Endangering the welfare of potentially 1000's of kits is far more cruel than performing a little operation on one single ferret, IMO.

[hullhunter]

Originally Posted by mattm

But as far as I can tell, and this is just a wild guess, LoveForLizards doesn't breed ferrets? So there is no need to trace them.

All we're saying is, you can't just assume that your ferrets are going to good homes. You have to question people and make sure you give them sound advice, even if they do think they know it all. That is part of being a good breeder. You can do so in a way that is not patronising.

Do you think, hullhunter, that after reading some of the good posts people have made here, you have changed your mind about spaying & neutering? I would hope so. I'm not expecting you to say you agree with it because everybody is entitled to their opinion - but surely you can see there are a LOT of cases where spaying and neutering are ideal, and very useful procedures for the average ferret keeper.

If you know that each of those 72 (or however many it was) kits ended up in a very good, lifelong home, where they will spay and neuter if they cannot responsibly breed and home the kits, then I applaud you. I know quite a few people that keep ferrets too - but not enough that I could home 72 kits to them in one year. I don't know them all well enough to just assume they know what they're doing and just handing kits over. I find it hard to believe anyone does and would guess at least some are friend of friends, contacts friends have given you etc. I never knew working ferrets was such a popular hobby these days. In fact even if I was homing to a very good friend i'd still give them advice, wanted or unwanted. But I am happy to say I do not breed anyway.

To the OP - the kits are lovely, I can see why you've chosen to keep those!

i would say that my opinion on spaying has changed i didnt know a lot of the stuff said. but i do no all 12 people witch my ferrets have gone to i have known them all for a number of years and also worked ferrets with them for many years also a few of these people are pest control offcers so to them its not a hobby its a job.but spaying is just not for me. thank you all for your opinions and advice some of it will be duly noted.

[LoveForLizards]

Originally Posted by hullhunter

But what about your kits kits? and your kits kits kits? etc. Are you going to know everybody they go to aswell should the owner decide to breed?



and i supoze you can trace your ferrers blood lines bick to the wild stop been so perfetic

Why would I want to? I got 2 of mine from a dodgy BYB (and no, I didn't pay for them because I point blank refused to), 2 from another rescue and the rest from people who were told by the breeders not to neuter because its invasive and cruel. And umm...what has that got to do with the question I asked anyway?

Originally Posted by mattm

But as far as I can tell, and this is just a wild guess, LoveForLizards doesn't breed ferrets? So there is no need to trace them.

Good guess dude

Originally Posted by Rum_Kitty

Roflcopters. Perfect? Perfectic? Pathetic maybe? Hmm.

I think the point here is that saying you should ALWAYS breed rather than spay is a bad idea because if the owners arent prepared god knows where the kits are going to end up. Endangering the welfare of potentially 1000's of kits is far more cruel than performing a little operation on one single ferret, IMO.

Lmao. And yet again, +1.

Originally Posted by hullhunter

i would say that my opinion on spaying has changed i didnt know a lot of the stuff said. .

Well thank god for that.

[hullhunter]

oh do you lot spay all youre pets i.e snakes, lizards, hogs, frogs, dogs, cats, rats, mice and so on and so on or is it just the ferrets you dont allow to breed?