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Housing and substrate:
Pheonix worms/Black soldier flys do best in tall housing as opposed to shallow housing so things like a vase, cookie jar or a small bathroom works well. The flys should have sticks and twigs in the top of the enclosure to allow for resting and sleeping.
Substrate should be made up of old leaves, compost and if possible animal such as horse and cow manure (avoid the smell! leave it out to dry then just moisten a small part of the underneath for them to eat).

Food and water:

The larvae will eat old leaves and animal manure if kept as compost. They may also eat vegetable scraps if given the option and will gut load of fruits.
They dont generally need water however some like to hang up leaves of lettuce for the adults to drink water from. I will add here, whilst the Flys do have a mouth they are not made for eating, it is purely for drinking, so there is no need to give them food.

Temperature and humidity:
Phoenix worms do best at 15-20C however the flys are best at 12-15C, the best way to maintain these temps is to use a tall enclosure, keep it in a cool-ish room and have a heat mat on the bottom for the worms so only a little amount of the heat rises to the top for the flys but all of them are kept at the right temperature. Humidity isnt very important at all - best kept below 50% however the pupae's will appreciate being taken out and put into a more humid (60-70%) tub until close to "hatching".

Breeding:

Hardly anything is needed for breeding, just male + female flys and somewhere for them to lay eggs. The best thing for this is to get a mug, put some organic compost into it and add water, compress it as much as possible and leave it there for a minute or two and compress again, keep doing this until you cant compress it anymore, once done turn it out of the mug and put into the enclosure on the floor or get some animal manure and leave it out on the bottom, you are more likely to have more sucess with the animal manure. And then probably the most important thing - room! The flys need to be able to fly for a foot or two as they mate whilst flying, the good thing is they dont a massive amount of room as it is over in with seconds.

Life Cycle:

Adult/Fly: Black Soldier Fly's are 15-20mm long and have dusty-grey wings. Males have a bronze coloured abdomen and females have 2 segements of the "abdomen" that are red in colour.

Egg: Eggs are 1mm long and are layed in clusts of 300-500 and have a 96% hatch rate.

Larvae/Pheonix Worms: Larvae of the Black Soldier Fly otherwise known as the Phoenix worm are small, plump worms that go through a series of "instars" before turning to pupae, the last instar being a red/brown colour. Usually growing up to about 18mm they make a good livefood.

Pupae: The pupa develops within the darkened skin of the last larval instar. The pupa is roughly 1/3 the length of the puparium.

Generaly maintanence:
Nothing really is needed apart from if feeding veggies removing any that are old/mouldy. Just keep them fed and happy and all should be fine.
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can someone sticky this PLEASE.........

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Can you add a bit about harvesting the worms from their manure/compost?
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I can't add to the original post so here ya go:

Generally harvesting the worms is pretty easy, kinda like meal worms ie. just moving over subtrate/food/shaking food items and picking out the worms. The most difficult part is avoiding being swarmed by the flys or letting loads of the flys loose! One way to do it is to take of what ever it is you use to attach the mesh to the top of the enclosure then quickly pick it up at the same time as closing the bottom of it. Or use a "pooter". Alternatively go for the "franken-tub". Put the enclosure inside a tub, cut a hole in the side then tape the top of a washing-up glove to the hole, then push the glove into the box, take the top off the enclosure and place it down then shuffle through the substrate and pick out the worms, take the insect mesh and put it back on the enclosure. Put in a piece of fly tape and until you are confident dont take the top off the tub and get the worms out. The pooter is by far the best option though!
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Thought they could be fed an exclusively grain diet as the maggots will eat just about anything? May be that I am entirely wrong, but that was the impression I got from the research I have done.

If that is right, surely that is much more hygienic than using manure...
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Thought they could be fed an exclusively grain diet as the maggots will eat just about anything? May be that I am entirely wrong, but that was the impression I got from the research I have done.

If that is right, surely that is much more hygienic than using manure...
I found they did eat grains but they died after a very short time and wouldnt breed and when they did it was extremely slow.
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I found they did eat grains but they died after a very short time and wouldnt breed and when they did it was extremely slow.
I see. That's a shame as I was contemplating giving it a go.. ah well never mind; luckily my beardie went off them after two days of eating everyone I put in front of him... lol. Fussy thing... so I guess there is no urgency in it after all.

I wonder if there is anything else they can be fed that won't anger the girlfriend quite so much as the thought of flies and manure. ?
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I wonder if there is anything else they can be fed that won't anger the girlfriend quite so much as the thought of flies and manure. ?
Hmm...give me 20 minutes and I might have an answer
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Raaaaaawr! Lol

Here ya go, just tried this and it worked out pretty well:

1 cup - instant oats
1 cup - bran or wheat
Half cup - baked, grated/blended veggies
2 TBSP - honey
1/3 cup - boiled, extremely fine cut or blended cooked meats
1 cup - rice puffs

Mix everything together in a bowl and add boiling water until the mix is in a cookie dough consistency, make into small cubes/balls and put on a baking tray, bake in the oven on 225C until golden-brown, turn oven off and leave in oven until cold so they harden up, use instant oats as a substrate and just place this ontop for the larvae to eat. Also I forgot to add, if anybody wants to try breeding phoenix worms and has a rabbit - use rabbit poop for substrate/food.
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