Killing Feeder Anoles Humanely?

[gizmossister]

Originally Posted by Paulusworm

Not ganging up on you at all. I had to go sort my kids out halfway through typing my reply. I'm not into the whole pitchfork/flaming people thing. Just trying to give you accurate info .

thanks ive seen a fair few people doing it, anyway not going to hijak the thread with my ranting which there is also quite a few lol.

i hope the thread owner doesnt have to resort to this type of food but gdluck for breeding ur animals.

[Paulusworm]

Originally Posted by gizmossister

thanks ive seen a fair few people doing it, anyway not going to hijak the thread with my ranting which there is also quite a few lol.

i hope the thread owner doesnt have to resort to this type of food but gdluck for breeding ur animals.

No problem. There are quite a few people on here that are nice.......honest .

Thank you. I hope that she takes the defrost rodents with scenting. The beauty of the whole plan is that I get some more amazing animals to add to my collection either way. Shame that I can't convince my wife that the snake's natural prey is the Argus monitor. I would love one of those.

[Grond]

Originally Posted by gizmossister

i appologise for being wrong then there was no need for ganging up on me i dnt need everyone telling me one person will do thank you.
i think the best way would be as quick as possible if u do it atall but i would avoid it if u can.

Not ganging up on you at all!

I just don't know why you would post something as a fact, if you didn't know it to be one!

I think even mice/lizards which are born to feed snakes should be given a good life and a humane death. From experience, CO2 is humane.

[Blaptica]

Originally Posted by Grond

Not ganging up on you at all!

I just don't know why you would post something as a fact, if you didn't know it to be one!

I think even mice/lizards which are born to feed snakes should be given a good life and a humane death. From experience, CO2 is humane.

How do you know co2 is humane ? Why do vets (to my knowledge) not use that method even on small pets ? If I had to be killed by others I don't think it is a method I would choose. How about you ?

[Grond]

Originally Posted by Blaptica

How do you know co2 is humane ? Why do vets (to my knowledge) not use that method even on small pets ? If I had to be killed by others I don't think it is a method I would choose. How about you ?

It's a method I'd choose over lethal injection, freezing, or being bashed around the head, which are the other options!

It appears to be humane to me from the probably thousands now of mice I have killed using this method. CO2 is an anaesthetic, so if done properly, it's like being put to sleep for an operation. Except that you don't wake up.

No method, including those used by vets, can guarantee to be pain free.

If you scale up the needle size to human compared to an anole, how would you like to have a needle twice the thickness of a pencil pushed into your heart to deliver a large dose of barbiturates and then be put in the freezer? This is the usual vet method.

[Blaptica]

I would imagine that there would be some time where the mouse would feel some sort of panic as it knew it was short of oxygen. Try breathing into a paper bag, you will quickly feel the panic sensation as your body knows its not getting enough oxygen. Your hand will pull the bag away long before you pass out.

Isoflurane however is a true aneasthetic that quickly causes unconsiousness. When a small amout of the liquid is placed in a confined space the vapours causes lack of consiousness quickly. Its used by vets for exactly that use for operations. You can overdose the mice so that after a few minutes there heart stops while they are "asleep". That is how I would like to go. No stress, no pain.

[Grond]

Originally Posted by Blaptica

I would imagine that there would be some time where the mouse would feel some sort of panic as it knew it was short of oxygen. Try breathing into a paper bag, you will quickly feel the panic sensation as your body knows its not getting enough oxygen. Your hand will pull the bag away long before you pass out.

Isoflurane however is a true aneasthetic that quickly causes unconsiousness. When a small amout of the liquid is placed in a confined space the vapours causes lack of consiousness quickly. Its used by vets for exactly that use for operations. You can overdose the mice so that after a few minutes there heart stops while they are "asleep". That is how I would like to go. No stress, no pain.

As I say, if done properly, the mouse never gets short of oxygen as you mean it!

A small dose is administered, and the mouse goes to sleep due due the anaesthetic effect of CO2.

All anaesthetic agents, including isoflurane, cause unconciousness by decreasing the supply of oxygen to the brain.

[Ssthisto]

Originally Posted by Blaptica

Isoflurane however is a true aneasthetic....

So is carbon dioxide in the right dosages.

http://www.avma.org/issues/animal_we...euthanasia.pdf

Carbon dioxide is the only chemical currently used for euthanasia of food animals (primarily swine) that does not result in tissue residues.

There must be a reason they don't use Isoflurane as a means of euthanising food animals - and why they DO use CO2.

[LiamRatSnake]

Someone said something about electrocution, is there any real way of using it?

[Grond]

Originally Posted by LiamRatSnake

Someone said something about electrocution, is there any real way of using it?

I know that this is a method used for killing chickens, but despite being quite knowledgable about electricity, I can see no safe and effective way to do it.

Or rather, I can see many ways to do it, but they are not safe or sure enough for me to either use myself, or put on a forum!