ebay fish

[lizardloverrach]

i thought you couldnt sell live animals on ebay? was looking last night for some fish related bits and theres tons of live fish for sale! most will deliver for about £10 aswell. must be different for fish im guessing then than other animals?!
has anyone ordered fish from ebay?? (not that im thinking of ordering any!, i have loads of good aquatic shops close)

[goodwin1234]

I think any live animal can be sold on ebay, as long as it is sold as 'live food'.

You quite often find tarantula spiderlings ect aswell.

Stupid rule, i know!

[Turtle Jo]

Live animals are a prohibited item on ebay - i.e. you cannot sell Live animals.

For some reason, fish & inverts do not fall into this ruling

[lizardloverrach]

Originally Posted by Turtle Jo

Live animals are a prohibited item on ebay - i.e. you cannot sell Live animals.

For some reason, fish & inverts do not fall into this ruling

poor fish! yes some of the people seem to have a proper business selling them on ebay, was quite shocked!

[Turtle Jo]

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[andy007]

Originally Posted by lizardloverrach

poor fish! yes some of the people seem to have a proper business selling them on ebay, was quite shocked!

Why poor fish?
Thats how virtually all shop fish arrive, i.e. by courier or mail. And i know that paying extra for a courier service isn't always better.
A high percentage of fish are also imported from Asia, which takes around 4/5 days, and i know that fish sold and sent out from sellers in the UK have a lot more care taken over them when packing. I've seen pictures of how bettas are sent from Thailand in tiny little bags about 3" square and just enough water to keep them wet!

[lizardloverrach]

Originally Posted by andy007

Why poor fish?
Thats how virtually all shop fish arrive, i.e. by courier or mail. And i know that paying extra for a courier service isn't always better.
A high percentage of fish are also imported from Asia, which takes around 4/5 days, and i know that fish sold and sent out from sellers in the UK have a lot more care taken over them when packing. I've seen pictures of how bettas are sent from Thailand in tiny little bags about 3" square and just enough water to keep them wet!

yeah i guess so. didnt think of it like that. does seem a bit mad paying £16 for postage though when you can go down the fish shop!
same with loads of animals getting shipped in, i remember seeing how they packaged cockateils in toilet roll tubes and stuffed them all in a tub!

[knighty]

i have sold fish through ebay, all were dispatched via TNT.

never had any DOAs or problems sold some large fish on there to but they was collected.

I have some great fish books for sale at the mo on here and ebay

http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/aquat...ish-books.html

[andy007]

Originally Posted by lizardloverrach

yeah i guess so. didnt think of it like that. does seem a bit mad paying £16 for postage though when you can go down the fish shop!

£16 is the highest i've heard of. Usually courier prices are higher than PO prices. I know i can send out 3 bettas for £6.70 next day delivery. Got to add on the price of packaging etc....
A friend has a fish and he used to use courier services, but had so many complaints about late deliveries and damaged boxes, that he changed to the PO.
If your the type that regularly checks the fish on ebay, you'll notice that some sellers are obviously tempting people with low fish prices, only to regain the money through postage

[naz_pixie]

my mother recently got a pond up and running in her garden and started getting some young fish for it.. she particularly wanted a couple of japanese koi carp, she got most of her fish off her father as he breeds them but she bought her little japanese koi carp from ebay, which came by next day courier, she says it was well packaged in exactly the same way they are when she used to bring gold fish/tropical fish home from a shop, accept it was also securied in a poly box...

when i went round to visit, the fish seemed in a fine condition.. i am not saying i agree atall.. but many many animals are shipped/couriered or generaly traveled from place to place on a daily basses.. im not sure i agree with any of it but if you think about it ,it is supply and demand: it is US who support it because they are being transported for the animal trade and it is us who keeps them as pets so we are the demand.

obviuosly not so much of an issue when we buy straight from a breeder, but even then how do we bring them home? in a car.. and in the case of fish, in a car in a sealed plastic bag with oxygen ect.. the eaxact same way that it comes from the courier.