rspca

[C_Strike]

Originally Posted by clive1973

absolutely, The RSPCA are a charity and have no powers of arrest and seizure with out a police officer and a warrant. I would of not called them back.

It is a shame that they have become so political. Every civilised country needs an animal welfare organisation but they are so biased they have lost all respect

hearhear, total agreement.

Sorry Ian, as the son of a very well respected police officer (Chase the surname if you need) iv got to say iv got as much confidence in the police as the RSPCA, and thats less than sod all...
If you dont mind me asking, what made you join the RSPCA? what was your experience with animals before? what was your Knowledge previous to joining?

I ask because i want to understand your defense rather than just become annoyed.
I used to work in liason with an RSPCA member, and also in conjunction with the police at times. The police i dealt with wer more clued up about the animals than the RSPCA. I no longer deal with the RSPCA due to much i have read, and hear about it as a political 'F '... if you get me


sorry to post again, i think its important and relevant though (Posted in the other RSPCA thread open atm
THE RSPCA UNMASKED
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Whether true or not this to me is absolutely scares the crap outta me. Even if it isnt true, there must be enough reason for people to begrude the 'charity' enough to make such accusations. If theyr were doing good, and benefiting those in the hobbies then people wouldnt hold such opinions. and such 'roumours' would be dismissed very early.
Why does a charity need a charity to oversee it. RSPCA has provoked new charities to be formed to protect the animals from the RSPCA.. kinda sounds a bit wrong doesnt it?

Also, maybe you might be able to enlighten meas to the need for rankings amnongst a registered charity? why the authoritarian uniforms? does a charity need to look like the police? or even the SS? seems whoely wrong

[PRS]

I own alot of land and they went through a gate that was open so sum1 could come in and drove into my property and left a note next to my door.

[brittone05]

I think they are allowed to gain entry to be able to post a letter through your door same as the postman - if you are home and ask them to leave your property, they have to or they are trespassing and you can (and bloody should!) ring the police to have them removed.

The RSPCA are just laughable as far as I am concerned. They act like a law enforcement agency, they dress like them - half of them are more qualified to be stripograms which bear the same clothing and detachment!

[htf666]

Originally Posted by ian14

I would suggest that all that has happened is that the RSPCA have received a complaint, and, as a statutory body with investigative powers, the inspector has gone to the house, as he/she is LEGALLY required to do to investigate whether or not there is any substance to the complaint. As they got no answer, a calling card has been left.
Having worked with the RSPCA for many years in a professional capacity, I can assure you that they will not act illegally and are fully aware of their powers and the limit to them. They will gain nothing from acting illegally.
They have a duty to investigate all complaints.
At the end of the day, if you have done nothing wrong then you have nothing to worry about.
In terms of from selling home, this would not be an RSPCA matter, but they do still have to look into it!
When it comes to herps, the RSPCA will almost always use an expert as they have little expertise themselves.

If as you say the rspca are legally required to investigate any report then you as a police officer should be arresting them when they fail to respond to a call.Which is very common especially if Rolf is not about with his camera crew.(Cue tears.)

[stuartdouglas]

If they are on your property and you ask them to leave and they refuse you are entitled to use reasonable force to remove them.

[slither61]

Originally Posted by purejurrasic

As chris said, its nothing to do with them if you sell snakes ore not.

To be able to legally gain access to your property, they either need you to invite them or to attend with the police and a warrant, which they will should only get with reasonable grounds to belive there are animals in your care that are suffering.

If its been reported that you sell snakes, thats not grounds to issue the warrant, but tbh, they will find grounds if they want to !

Hi all,

They are only allowed in on the warrent if they are named on it, if not they are not allowed and are trespassing.

Judges do not write out warrents for fun, they have to put their case to him with facts or they will not get a warrent no matter who they are.

slither61

[slither61]

Originally Posted by ian14

The RSPCA have the power to interview under caution and to bring about prosecutions. As a serving police officer I work with them on a regular basis. In terms of experts, certainly in the Thames Valley area, they use Bruce McLean, a reptile vet who, as far as I am aware from comments on this forum is well respected. For those of you who don't think they have access to experts, I'm sorry but they do! When it comes to RSPCA need an expert witness, which is a person deemed by the Court to be an expert in their field.
I agree, it does seem odd that the RSPCA have gone if it is just a concern about selling animals.

Hi all,

The RSPCA can only get into your house if you invite them in or get a warrent off a Judge then only the people named on the warrent are allowed in.

They have no powers under the law.

You cannot as a police officer go into someones house without a warrent or they let you in you have to give the judge a good reason why you want a warrent based on facts and evidence.

The problem with the RSPCA they try to act as experts when they have not being trained in a particular field.

They try to scare people by wearing uniforms like the police and have a similar rank structure.

Ian to you I put this question joe public gives RSPCA £1 becaus he wants it to be used to protect animals and their welfare in kennels.

But he then finds out they have millions in the bank which are not been spent like it is supposed to be on animals.

Should he not feel they have got money off him under false pretenses???.


slither61

[ian14]

WHY DO YOU ALL HAVE PROBLEM WITH AN ORGANISATION SETUP TO PROTECT ANIMALS????????????????
Chris Newman, I remember only too well the bitching that went on in your magazine , Reptilian, it worries me that the people we should be working WITH, not AGAINST, are yet again the subject of a slagging off.
hf666, grow up. The RSPCA do follow up calls. Stop being infantile with comments re film crews. Pathetic.
C_strike, I have never joined the RSPCA. Want to know my previos knowledge?? 20 years as a herpkeepr, worked at London Zoo, Cotswold Wildlife Park, Jersey Wildlife Preservation Trust, offered a 6 month placement at JWPT, a job as assistant curator of herps at Cotswolds, oh and a BSc Hons in zoolology. Along with being the DWA liaison officer forTVP, and a wildlife crime officer. I would say I am fairly well qualified, thankyou.
I feel that it is very sad that the very people we SHOULD be working with are, yet agin, the subject of paranoid distrust.

I am sure that this will promote a lot of discussion, I only hope that it is for the good of both the hobby and animal welfare, rather than a slagging session.

[C_Strike]

Your point is as valid as anyone elses, i have tried to understand your side, yet you havent actually come out with anything that i can agree with really.
I will read any points in RSPCA's favour you can come up with, thats if you do at some point.

I agree, its a real shame people hold such distrust for an organisation thats supposed to help, yet its the bloody organisations bad management thats to blame.
To me its even more of a shame that the animals the RSPCA receive have to be protected by a seperate organisation to protect the animals from the RSPCA.. tahts F@*(d up.

Maybe if you were on the receiving end of the RSPCA your oppinions might change.
I know for a fact i get pretty disgruntled when a clueless idiot comes trying to make me beleive something about tarantulas that i know for fact isnt true. Its the same emotion, yet exasorbated.
So far i ONLY hear bad things about them. As i said previous, its my opinion that if they wer doing a good job people would feel a need to slate them, Even if the statements are untrue, they have been started for a reason. MAybe someones peronal disliking of them, but still people beleive it because they themselves are weiry of the RSPCA. If people stood by the RSPCA these rumours would fizzle out before they start.
Thats down to RSPCA creating the reputation they have.

I was nieve previous to my dealings with RSPCA, its was the dealings with RSPCA that actually made me decide to have no part with them.
The rspca want respect, they are gonna have to bloody work for it. MY opinion is they suck arse,with bulliboy tactis, and unneccessary intimidation. Are pretty damn dumb when it comes to exotics especially. Whenever i watch the RSPCA shows on tv they make me angry very oftem as you see the collection officers running around like a headless chicken chasing an amila. i mean 90% of the time they fanny about so much they reduce the chances of the animal surviving by scaring the bugger to death

BTW ian, had you glanced through that link i linked? as i said i cant say for ddefinate if its ture or not. either way its powerful reading, surely you have some reaction to those readings. Thats a fair number of disgruntled people, they is many, many more too. any reason you can think of people might make such things up if the charity is doing good?

[slither61]

Originally Posted by ian14

WHY DO YOU ALL HAVE PROBLEM WITH AN ORGANISATION SETUP TO PROTECT ANIMALS????????????????
Chris Newman, I remember only too well the bitching that went on in your magazine , Reptilian, it worries me that the people we should be working WITH, not AGAINST, are yet again the subject of a slagging off.
hf666, grow up. The RSPCA do follow up calls. Stop being infantile with comments re film crews. Pathetic.
C_strike, I have never joined the RSPCA. Want to know my previos knowledge?? 20 years as a herpkeepr, worked at London Zoo, Cotswold Wildlife Park, Jersey Wildlife Preservation Trust, offered a 6 month placement at JWPT, a job as assistant curator of herps at Cotswolds, oh and a BSc Hons in zoolology. Along with being the DWA liaison officer forTVP, and a wildlife crime officer. I would say I am fairly well qualified, thankyou.
I feel that it is very sad that the very people we SHOULD be working with are, yet agin, the subject of paranoid distrust.

I am sure that this will promote a lot of discussion, I only hope that it is for the good of both the hobby and animal welfare, rather than a slagging session.

Hi all,

Ian14

No need to throw your teddy out noones questioning your ability you are well qualified but how many police forces have someone like you as a wildlife officer, that the RSPCA can ask questions and get proper answers.

The RSPCA was started with the right ideals but it is the present directors that have ulterier motives money is beign stockpiled not used on animals or satalite RSPCA centers which it should be spent on, they have to make their own money some way or another.

If the RSPCA put as much effort into getting the correct training for officers as they do on head office the officers would be very knowledgeable on many subjects.

I would like to know why the RSPCA is not spending the money banked, on dogs and cats in kennels, rather than putting the thousands down every year they do they don't put that in flashy campaings I wonder why??.

I think if the general public really new what was going on in the RSPCA I think a lot of questions would be asked and maybe one or two heads roll, and put people that care about animal welfare in charge so the money is used on animals insteda of a flashy Lexi's which they seem more bothered about at the present time.

Police now nolonger take stray dogs and cats in, it is now down to the council which the government has not given extra money for you don't see any offer of help from the RSPCA.

I think the majority of RSPCA rank and file officers have the animals welfare at heart and most do a good job on the crumbs thrown down from head office, but you will get a few bad ones it happens in all types of work.

Listen to some of the reports what the RSPCA have done to members of this forum.

Then wonder why there is distrust.

You never answered my previous question I asked you I would like to know your opinion Ian14.

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