Rspca Update She Came Back

[slither61]

Originally Posted by sammy1969

Hi
I did used to let her in but she keeps coming back even though she can find no fault shehas threatened numerous times to confiscate my pets stating they are not adequately housed ie a four foot corn needs an eight foot tank and that they do not display normal behaviour patterns coz one of my rats liked to give kisses so this is an ongoing saga with this one charity worker.

To every one else thanks for all your support i feel so proud right now as i never thought i would ever stand up to her but she makes me so angry with the way she treats me. I feel stronger knowing that i have the backing of others out there and althougth i will never be outright rude to her i will make it known she isnt going to walk over me any more, mind you i find they hate it more when oyu are polite to them and they cant get a rise out of you

Hi all,

Sammy if she ever gets in again, record everything and have witnesses.

If she keeps comming back for no proper reason then involve the police.

slither61

[slither61]

Originally Posted by Uncle Les

Surely she is not a volunteer but a paid employee of the RSPCA.
As for getting a Warrant, well it is probably easier than you all think. The RSPCA would go before a Magistrate who probably knows nothing about keeping exotics. They would say that either they have information from a reliable source or from previous visits they have made about the conditions the animals are kept in and that entry has been refused. The odds are the Magistrate will grant the warrant.
I agree that refusing entry today was fine but it is a one of those things, be polite explain your reasons and leave it at that. If they keep visiting write to them asking for an explanation.

HI all,

They have to produce evidence to the judge why they want the warrent.

The judge does not have to know about snakes, he decides on the evidence produced not heresay and applies the law of the land.
Judges don't give warrents out for the fun of it.

slither61

[Chris Newman]

Posted this on another thread, but worth reposting here:

Know your rights

Do the RSPCA have the right to demand to inspect my shop, question me or my staff, or examine my animals?

NO: The RSPCA have no legal powers, or rights, over and above that of any other member of the general public, they are not formal Animal Welfare Inspectors under the new Act.

Can the RSPCA issue me with a formal ‘Improvement Notice’ under the new Act?

NO: Only an Animal Welfare Inspector can legally issue an Improvement Notice.

The RSPCA call themselves the Animal Police, wear a police style uniform have ranks (Inspector, Chief Inspector etc) & issue cautions, does this mean they are law enforcement officers?

NO: The RSPCA is a charity, not a statutory law enforcement agency. It is a serious offence to impersonate a police officer. The caution used by the RSPCA is taken from the The Police and Criminal Evidence Act (PACE) and can be used by anyone.

If I refuse to cooperate with the RSPCA can they arrest me?

NO: The RSPCA have no more powers of arrest than any other member of the general public. The caution used by the RSPCA starts with the phrase “You are not under arrest”, which implies they have the power to arrest, but this is purely an intimidatory tacit.

Do I have the right to ask the RSPCA to leave my premises?

YES: The RSPCA must leave your premises at your request, otherwise they commit the offence of trespass.

Do the RSPCA have the right to seize animals?

NO: Only a police officer or Animal Welfare Inspector appointed by the Local Authority can seize animals - the RSPCA have no power to seize or confiscate anything.

Can a police officer or animal welfare inspector seize animals and give them to the RSPCA?

YES: A police officer or animal welfare inspector can seize animals, under certain circumstances, and he can place the animals in the temporary care of the RSPCA. However, whoever seized the animals is legally responsible for anything seized.

If the police or animal welfare inspector seize my animals should they give me a receipt?

YES: If the police officer or animal welfare inspector seizes your animals you are entitled to demand a receipt from them. Do not sign any receipt offered by the RSPCA.

Do the RSPCA have the right to be on my premises if named on a Warrant issued by a Magistrate?

YES: If a warrant has been lawfully issued by a Magistrate and it names the RSPCA then they have right of entry.

What do I do if the RSPCA want to inspect my shop or ask me questions, or say they have received a complaint?

In light of recent developments, and taking into consideration the RSPCA position against pet shops, REPTA’s advice is do not answer any questions verbally. Ask the RSPCA to put any questions in writing and inform them that they will be answered in writing as soon as possible.

Call REPTA immediately for guidance

Advice is free & in total confidence

023 8044 0999

[athy59]

I suggest that Sammy, Print off that Notice and stick it on the front door.
She soon get the message, that she is breaking the law.
They can be just as bad as the Bloody T.V. dectors vans and officers.
So next time she calls, point to the notice on your door and tell her to sling her hook. Good on you.
Then give her 1 of theses. >>>

[Storm Python]

The issues out laid in the initial post on this thread concern me a great deal.
In 16 years of reptile keeping iv'e never heard of RSPCA volunteers doing animal inspections.
Volunteers are used for collecting funds/sposorship etc.
You know who i mean there usually out in force in every major town centre on a saturday afternoon trying to stop you whilst your trying to shop.
Id get hold of the volunteers name & report her for harassment.
She has no right to harass you.

[Moshpitviper]

Originally Posted by StormTrooper

The issues out laid in the initial post on this thread concern me a great deal.
In 16 years of reptile keeping iv'e never heard of RSPCA volunteers doing animal inspections.
Volunteers are used for collecting funds/sposorship etc.
You know who i mean there usually out in force in every major town centre on a saturday afternoon trying to stop you whilst your trying to shop.
Id get hold of the volunteers name & report her for harassment.
She has no right to harass you.

Alternatively chase her away with a baseball bat. should stop any future visits.

[Miranda]

Thats ridiculous, shes asking you for specific answers then you ask her a reasonable question she just walks away, they are rude impersonators!

[stephenie191]

If the rspca turned up at my door, i would let them in, i THINK.


or tell them to do one

[Uncle Les]

Originally Posted by slither61

HI all,

They have to produce evidence to the judge why they want the warrent.

The judge does not have to know about snakes, he decides on the evidence produced not heresay and applies the law of the land.
Judges don't give warrents out for the fun of it.

slither61

Sorry you are wrong Magistrates issue search warrants and as for producing evidence how many warrants have you sworn out? I have done loads.
It is far easier to get a warrant than you seem to think it is down to information not evidence.

[slither61]

Originally Posted by Uncle Les

Sorry you are wrong Magistrates issue search warrants and as for producing evidence how many warrants have you sworn out? I have done loads.
It is far easier to get a warrant than you seem to think it is down to information not evidence.

HI all,

Uncle Les

So the police just make it up then to get a warrent for the RSPCA or do the police do this all the time makes me think!!!!.

slither61