illegal couriers

[htf666]

That's taking equal opportunities a bit too far Pam. Harry

[purejurrasic]

Originally Posted by MELINDAFARREN

Stop arguing to be honest i recieved all my t's via royal mail special delivery posted late as poss day before , they came in a box ,body surrounded in cotton wool etc with holes and every single one was fine the only one i had a problem with was one i brought from a pet shop it was vicious lol and i collected that one but i didnt know it was illegal but i do now
so thank you
but not planning on buying any anyway but i am willing to post my man to anyone out there who wants him 1st class recorded
melinda

Its NOT illegal to transport inverts by royal mail or any other method.

The rules being quoted apply ONLY to animals with back bones (vertibrea).

I do know for a fact that the guy from fastway (based in Lewes btw) confirmed to me that they do carry livestock, I questioned him on this, pointing out the differences with inverts, and he went away to check up.

He did come back to us and CONFIRM that they were able to carry reptiles. He has done this with at least two other people in my area that I am aware of.

However, since I chose not to go that route and carry on my personal deliveries, I didnt follow it up regarding welfare on route and transport times, ie over 8 hours.

So I dont think of this as knowingly using an illegal method, but maybe being mislead.

However, whichever the case, the sender is not breaching the rules, its the transport company that is, as long as the sender makes it quite clear whats being transported.

I personally enjoy doing round the country runs and meeting loads of people, even if they dont make me a coffee or bacon sarnie !!!

[rachy]

I think/hope the guy from lewes has had a change of heart recently

[sam89]

i dont think people that use illegal couriers care much for their reps or they would spend that bit extra to make sure its done right

[slither61]

Hi all,

Would not use illegal couriers.

I always pick my snakes up in person no matter how far then you can see what you are getting.

slither61

[purejurrasic]

Anyone know what type of licence TNT hold, is it a long distance (over 8hour one?) and if so, who within the company holds the certificate of competance, and is responsible for the animal, and has any one who has had animals sent this way seen any evidence of the package being checked?

Also, reading the defra guide lines, ANY animal covered under the scope of the Welfare in Transport (Transport Licence) Must be accompanied by an Animal Transport Certificate, unless carried under a long distance licence in which case a journey log is required.

This ATC or JL is specific to EACH animal.

If this is not complied with, then the transport is illegal, even if carried out by a licenced transporter !

[MissMoose]

I'd only pick it up myself tbh

[adamntitch]

i do know of a member on here that used to post reptiles useing royal mail and had a pet shop i think and posted them with royal mail and know of a member on here that caused them to stop it i think after recevining an ill animal from them that died and i did get animals from them as well that turned up cold and not heathy but that was before i knew how they where sending stock i got a shock when it turned up in a box just saying first class

[sparkle]

ok so how do we find out whats legal or ilegal and if they are misled??

DEFRA i take it has the final say i think.. but im not sure on this one...

so rather than argue on here get a written document too state whether or not legally this is allowed..

if rachy is right then shes right... if shes wrong then shes wrong..

there HAS to be a way to find out instead of argue.

its not about opinion this one its either legal or illegal simple..

maybe a written letter to fastway and defra will be the easiet way to fix this,

that way if there is something in black and white to say its legal then noone has ANY worries..

do fastway require the person to be vat registered if the animals are sent for financial gain then i take it the people who have accounts with various places are also legally selling. does everyone who uses thes parcel companies sell legally.. i mean do they sell the animals and let the tax man know.. if not and there were ever issues.. what happens then..

its all a bit messy really and i think sellers and buyers alike need to find out a definitive answer to be on the right side of the law and the tax man... both for animal welfare resons when sending the parcels and legally for tax purposes

Its a hot potatoe this one.

Worth finding out if youre a seller rather than calling fastway who are obviously not consistent it seems in their info ... the people who would actually be abale to take you to court if the company and the sender were wrong..

its obvious diablo cares about his animals and packages them well so thats not a fault. what is possibly an issue is the consistency of the legalities surrounding some courriers licnces....

defra maybe is the best place to settle this one i think..

im not sure who else would know

[Athravan]

Originally Posted by purejurrasic

Anyone know what type of licence TNT hold, is it a long distance (over 8hour one?) and if so, who within the company holds the certificate of competance, and is responsible for the animal, and has any one who has had animals sent this way seen any evidence of the package being checked?

Also, reading the defra guide lines, ANY animal covered under the scope of the Welfare in Transport (Transport Licence) Must be accompanied by an Animal Transport Certificate, unless carried under a long distance licence in which case a journey log is required.

This ATC or JL is specific to EACH animal.

If this is not complied with, then the transport is illegal, even if carried out by a licenced transporter !

Every commercial shipment I have from TNT comes in with a copy of the license from the wholesaler, and the license is in the senders name. I can't remember the exact details whetheit's type 1 or type 2 at the moment, but ALL wholesale boxes with animals via TNT do carry a transportation license. I can find out which type it is when I get my next delivery next week, but since the implementation of the license there has been no exceptions when buying from businesses. No box I have ever received has been opened or checked in transit and are all very clearly marked reptiles with the certificate viewable in a clear wallet on the outside of the box.