Prices to high you can get the same in the uk

[cuddles]

Originally Posted by jdb

I have bought lots of reptiles from Paul at Northwest reps, some he breeds himself. I don't think hes an importer of royals. He buys about 20-30cf keeps them for a couple of months, makes sure they're feeding well and sells them
to people like me(thanks paul). I agree that some morphs of leopard geckos
are worth importing but there are lots of uk breeders you can buy good quality morphs from like Paul at Northwest Reptiles, Steve and Jo at Geckomania and global geckosare one to watch out for.
The other thing I don't understand, if you dont make any money importing
reptiles then why do it (diablo/faith). You must have high paying jobs if you can do all you say you do for no profit maybe you should register as a charity.

or maybe we could start a collection for them?

[cornmorphs]

Originally Posted by Nerys

what i do find interesting.. is that there are never so many comments when corns are imported from the USA...

N

have you not seen how many will be coming over this year?
thereeeeeeeeee goes the market

[essexchondro]

I agree with northwest reps. people over here should start using breeders in the UK who produce some excellent geckos, rather than being so quick to import

But dont you think northwest reps. is being a bit hypocritical bearing in mind that they sell CF imported royals?

I dont think I wrote anything funny, Im sorry that you seem to suffer from bladder problems.

My point is, we'll never have big breeders over here like Ron Tremper etc. if people are too quick to jump on the band wagon importing geckos like albinos, giants, shct and so on.

Royals are a whole different kettle of fish, so what if he sells captive farmed royals. The large majority of normal royals offered for sale are probably captive farmed or wc.

(while on the subject of WC, I'd rather use a toilet than wee myself)

We'll never have big name "world class" breeders here anyway; the market is far to small for internal sales within the UK and this country is far too expensive for a large scale breeding operation to be based here even if most of the animals were to be exported to Europe or the USA etc etc

Why are royals so different from geckos? Both are extremely popular species in captivity with the potential to be bred in captivity in large numbers. The reason so many CF royals get sold each year is primarily because dealers import so many. By flooding the market with CF its inevitable that a lot of CF get sold...and this high number of CF sales is then used as evidence to suggest that high numbers of CF are actually needed to supply demand (it's pretty easy to spot the flaw in that logic!).

From what I can see, the CF royal market is artificially sustained at its current level by dealers and pet shops who don't want to lose profits rather than it being the case that CF animals are genuinely needed in the quantities imported in order to meet actual UK demand for royals. If dealers/pet shops were prepared to focus less on making a quick(er) profit through CF, and placed more effort into producing their own CB animals (like a few of the better pets shops are now doing,) I don't see any reason to suspect that the UK market couldn't be sustained by UK CB animals coupled with the injection of new blood from non-UK bred CB animals and a small number of CF and WC animals going to serious hobbyists and breeders i.e. not being sold as "pets" to novices like the majority currently are.

CF and WC should be left to the rarer species that genuinely aren't being produced in captivity in any great number (but even then this should only be a relatively short term process in order to establish and then occasionally "top-up" captive populations). The reason CF royals are still being imported in such large numbers is because people want to make a fast buck and cash in on the popularity of the species without actually putting in the time and effort to produce (enough) CB animals themselves. Like most things it all boils down to money...but it is a shame when money is earned in a way that seems to be detrimental to the hobby itself. Flooding the market with cheap CF royals not only discourages breeders from producing CB "normals" (which, of course, has the effect of contributing to the continuation of the CF importing cycle), but the average CF is also a less robust animal than the average CB one which means that a lot of novices may end up with inferior quality animals which ultimately could have the effect of discouraging them from continuing in the hobby.

Just my thoughts

cheers

Stuart

[the-tick]

Originally Posted by cuddles

or maybe we could start a collection for them?

Is there really a need for that ?

[cuddles]

The only reason that it could be detrimental to the hobby is if the people selling arent honest in the first place. Fair enough, pet shops, breeders and other sellers should give out good advice. But, personally, before buying any animal, I'd do the research myself.

[cuddles]

Originally Posted by the-tick

Is there really a need for that ?

Well was there any need for the comment laughing there arses off and weeing thereselves to a serious reply I made?

[the-tick]

Originally Posted by cuddles

Well was there any need for the comment laughing there arses off and weeing thereselves to a serious reply I made?

so childish tit for tat works....................................

[jdb]

i think if i have read this post correctly
what nw reptiles was saying there is no point importing overpriced leopard geckos
when there available at half the price from uk breeders
every body knows we should be buying cb rather than cf maybe the uk breeders could reduce the price of cb royals so less people would buy
cf (this may help ?) talking of hyporcritical didnt faith want about a dozen
wild caught leopard geckos a few months ago?

[cuddles]

i wasnt being childish

so nurrrrrrrr

[amber_gekko]

Some people buy from RT and others because they invented certain morphs, and some of which aren't available in this country without importing them.
If you want to be at the fore front of leopard geckos, corns or whatever you need to keep up with new morphs so that you can be one of only a few quality UK breeders being able to offer them. Therefore creating a UK market.
And as for the comment about no one in this country becoming a top breeder due to importing thats a load of , what about Paul Harris @ UK Pythons (ok i know he lives on the continent now but he is british). The reason most people dont become massive breeders is generally because it would cost a lot to set up and its risky especially if you want to become like a nerd or RT inventing new morphs because you might spend years on one thing, most people cant be bothered.