Put an end to WC and CF Reps - yes or no

[sharpstrain]

Originally Posted by carpy

none of the above. it should be ok if the point is to try to captive breed the species concerned - beacuse that after all reduces pressure on wild populations

Hi Alex

I agree with you - but that isnt the reality is it?

[jesuslovestheladies]

nothing is impossible... except becoming your own grandad..

[ratboy]

Not really answerable. It depends on who is doing it.

[carpy]

Originally Posted by sharpstrain

Hi Alex

I agree with you - but that isnt the reality is it?

no itas not but thats what i believe in. which is why im now trying to get hold of another imantodes - as unlikely as finding anothero ne is - im sure it would be well recieved!

Originally Posted by jesuslovestheladies

nothing is impossible... except becoming your own grandad..

[snickers]

The reason why CF/WC animals are poorer in general than CB is their health. If we could somehow get CF/WC animals in good health it would be good. Unortunately it seems that everyone who can make a buck does, and as a result the animals suffer.
Most people along the import trail accept losses as a normal part of the transaction, so it's the people at the end of the chains that lose out most.

But it's all a game. CF/WC animals are sold cheap. If they happen to be tough or if someone along the trail has taken time to get the animals healthy you might get a good bargain, but we have all heard the horror stories.

Of course there are other aguements that haven't been aired like the ecological impact, the impact on species numbers, the effect on local economics etc

[sharpstrain]

Originally Posted by carpy

no itas not but thats what i believe in. which is why im now trying to get hold of another imantodes - as unlikely as finding anothero ne is - im sure it would be well recieved!

I know but u r i in a million and i guess its my fault for not taking you into account - the problem is not with csrefully and thoughtfully introducing a few examples of a little knwo species but rather the mass importation of something that is already readily available but at a slighlty more realistic price - my bad and i apologise

[*H*]

I've selected it's ok and should continue.......... BUT i think it should be better regulated, i.e theres no point in bringing in CF/WC species that are regularly bred in captivity, and there should be guidelines which farmers/importers should follow, but I think in some instances CF and WC are needed for new bloodlines/preservation of the species etc.

[kaimarion]

Originally Posted by boidae

heres another internet preaching about why its called royal.

Royal python, ball python.[2]
The name ball python refers to the animal's tendency to cur
l into a ball when stressed or frightened.[7]
The name royal python (from the Latin "regius") is based in part on the story that Cleopatra supposedly wore the snake around her wrist.

That Ball python bit was copied straight out of wiki-pedia .

[wohic]

I am not against wc/cf as a whole, i am against the Royal trade as it stands, and the fact that you can look on trade lists and see lizards at 50p each and Royals at £4, you just know at those prices there is no incentive to care for these poor animals, if they cant fill their quota one month the box will wait in the corner of a warehouse until it is..... some animals could have been without water and food for many weeks by the time they are exported, then they end up in shops as cheap reptiles that tempt the inexperianced, who then buy an animal that has a parasite load, is stressed and possibly emaciated, it has little chance of long term survival.

the average joe sometimes get hold of these lists and see Royals for £5 each and think profit...... what they dont think is that they would have hatched april may time and have been hanging about for 6 weeks or so sometimes more, in boxes somewhere in the world, owned by people who wll get pence for them, so have no incentive to care for them. year in year out we get the same threads go up, the same crys for help frome the poor sods that have bought the late imports desperate for help for the snake that really has very little chance of survival.
What we see here is the tip of the iceburg the internet reptile fraternaty is a very small percentage of UK reptiile keepers, so for each of the snakes reported as dieing via the forum there are most likely 100 more in private collections/ bought as first snakes/ in the back of reptile shops suffering the same fate.

something needs doing to protect them, and to be honest i think a fast death in their own country (if indeed they are killed as pests) is far kinder than the lingering death they suffer being imported.

[boidae]

if they die of parasites here then wouldnt they die in the wild with them.
there usually imported before their first sheds. so food wise its not a problem untill sold.

they have an increased survival being in captivity rather than left in the wild.

as soon as you get a new animal, vet hem. what can go wrong?

ball pythons are born non feeders in the wild too.