Put an end to WC and CF Reps - yes or no

[Maureen Collinson]

Originally Posted by boidae

if they die of parasites here then wouldnt they die in the wild with them.

Could I suggest please that you go and do some research re the above question. I will however help you here by adding that parasites need to get a strong hold in order for them to usually do damage to snakes in the wild. IE, An ill snake, or a stressed one due to maybe some form of injury that causes the natural body defenses to be lowered. That's when the parasites take advantage and slip through the chink in the weakened wall. Other than that, usually parasites are not in large enough numbers to cause the damage that occurs with badly stressed imports.

there usually imported before their first sheds. so food wise its not a problem untill sold.

Again, please do your research. That is far from true.


they have an increased survival being in captivity rather than left in the wild.

Any evidence of that?

as soon as you get a new animal, vet hem. what can go wrong?

When you ask a question like that. It says you have not done your research. The answer is:- Plenty can still go wrong.

ball pythons are born non feeders in the wild too.

No, they are not. They start feeding from the moment they hatch, well most do anyway, if they came away from the egg with an absorbed yolk Sac anyway, and then when they have shed and feel ready they will go in search of their natural prey food, which we do not supply them with, which is what creates the problem, and it takes an experienced person usually to wean them over to a food source that we have available, that they don't recognize in the first instance.

Mo.

[TSKA Rory Matier]

An interesting debate

All Told Importing is wrong and should be stopped 53
All Told Importing is okay and should continue 48

Currently 53% of the readership believe that it should be stopped, with a remaining 48 [47%] believing it be okay and continue.

I think the figure work says quite a bit.

Personally, l think that if there were tighter regulations, stricter legislation and quarantine regulations in place it would be far better a system than now.

No, l am not a reptile importer, but l am a mammal importer, and we must jump through hoops and hurdles to ensure that the import/export is carried out properly.

In the UK for wild caught and captive farmed mamals we have a six month quarantine waiting - any problems and it will be found during the actual six month stint.

But also animals must be 100% before they are exported out.

I still find the opinions quite fascinating in this thread. Well done to the o/p for its creation.

R

[Young_Gun]

Importing both CF and WC is OK and should continue 4442.31%

[paulibabes]

I think it is a good thing to import wild caught, an example of why i think it is a good thing would be the importing of uropltus species, as they are becomming extreamly rare and some of the species already are due to famers cutting down their habbitat and leaving them with nothing. People really do need to get these imported and breeding in captivity in the masses or we will be saying good bye to the most amazing species of gecko.

[paulibabes]

Originally Posted by TSKA Rory Matier

An interesting debate

All Told Importing is wrong and should be stopped 53
All Told Importing is okay and should continue 48

Currently 53% of the readership believe that it should be stopped, with a remaining 48 [47%] believing it be okay and continue.

I think the figure work says quite a bit.

Personally, l think that if there were tighter regulations, stricter legislation and quarantine regulations in place it would be far better a system than now.

No, l am not a reptile importer, but l am a mammal importer, and we must jump through hoops and hurdles to ensure that the import/export is carried out properly.

In the UK for wild caught and captive farmed mamals we have a six month quarantine waiting - any problems and it will be found during the actual six month stint.

But also animals must be 100% before they are exported out.

I still find the opinions quite fascinating in this thread. Well done to the o/p for its creation.

R

believe me, there are many many hoops!

[Prettyjoby]

I wasn't really sure what to vote as my point of view wasnt really expressed here.

Buying in WC snakes means breeders are able to find hidden genes and breed new morphs.

However: I see no reason, whatsoever for shops to be selling WC and CF animals to pet owners. I cant see, from personal experience why a potential owner would risk all that for getting a snake £20quid cheaper or something.

Theres a sense of immorality about it because basically 100s of poor little snakes die because of human greed every year. I believe the average person, keeping snakes as pets like me should be looking for captive breed animals.

And the people who are taking WC and CF animals for breeding purposes need to look at how these poor animals are exported. It should not be allowed for the animals to suffer. Pay more if you have to, but don't have those dear little babies die just because you want a bargain. Get healthy, fed up snakes, tranported quickly and in the correct temps/conditions. There needs to be serious consideration over importing such snakes, just look at the horrific statistics seen in baby royals.

[Montage_Morphs]

I absolutly disagree with CF or WC species that we already have an abundance of in captivity.

WC and CF snakes should only be considered when there is a dwindling wild population and a REASON for them to be brought into captivity to be bred.

It's not our problem or our job to keep poor farm workers in business by promoting the CF ball python/boa industry.

As we have seen latley, mother nature tends to balance things out when they become too prolific. The market is SATURATED with royal pythons, it's ridiculous that people still import CF royals. If it's all about finding a potential new morph then shame on you.... Theres more than enough genetic gems in captivity and thousands of potential combinations to be made. Focus on what you have and not what you don't!

I also think that there should be more legislation and tighter quaranteen proceedures for whatever CF and WC snakes come into the country. Hell, even any CB specimens from the likes of the US should have a quaranteen period. Disease and illness is rife within the reptile community, and just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there. The most worrying thing about the likes of IBD and crypto is that snakes can carry these lethal bugs and nobody would ever know without them showing symptoms... I don't know why reptiles seem to be exempt from long quaranteen periods. It seems odd to me.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by Prettyjoby

And the people who are taking WC and CF animals for breeding purposes need to look at how these poor animals are exported.

Can you show me please, i'd be interested to see pictures of some shipments that have NOT been seized.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by Montage_Morphs

As we have seen latley, mother nature tends to balance things out when they become too prolific. The market is SATURATED with royal pythons, it's ridiculous that people still import CF royals.

Roughly speaking saturated means no more can be absorbed.
If you think that is the case with the hobby and royals then you are severely mistaken.

[Montage_Morphs]

Originally Posted by Dan

Roughly speaking saturated means no more can be absorbed.
If you think that is the case with the hobby and royals then you are severely mistaken.

Alright smart arse, no need to nit pick. I was just using a suitable adjective to describe my thoughts on the amount of royals in captivity.

But if that is all you can pick apart from my post, then at least we agree with something!