Put an end to WC and CF Reps - yes or no

[jonnydotcom]

I've just speed read through this and,
Yes i don't agree with the whole importing of WC or CF
but if it wasn't for the WC side of it wouldn't most the snakes we all keep in this hobby be unavailable to use,
i agree with others that say there should be more checks put into place to stop mass imports of sick and dying Reptiles been brought into the country but a total ban would be a VERY big mistake in my eyes

(this is my comment and no harm was meant to others)

[fuzzielady]

If every person along the line actually checked on and cared for the animal they would be a lot healthier and there would be less problems when they get to their new homes. This would cut profits and that at the end of the day, they do it for the profits. Others do it for fresh blood, gene's etc. These people are more likely to be able to give them the care they need to recover. If you get these snakes dirt cheap knowing they are straight of a shipment you can't complain later when it bites you in the butt. Unfortunately we are in a society that wants everything cheap or free. If no one bought them knowing they couldn't possibly have had proper care then it wouldn't happen. As long as there is a market for it, it will continue to happen. Sad thing is even after all the publicity it has had this year, people will still be swarming to get them straight off the boat next year because they are so cheap. Lots of CF come in each year that get the proper care and go on to have happy healthy lives. I think the the fact that the ones I think this poll is about, have been hanging around for a long time with out even food or water has made this batch so ill. So I have not voted on the poll as I don't think it just because they are CF that is the problem.

[boidae]

there needed to purify blood lines.

farmers sometimes find hidden genes and import new morphs. for your pleasures.

your question should be

should wc's and cf's be sold to anyone but retailers who will quaranteen them to perfect health before selling to people who know nothing about them.

wc's and cf's are usually sold to retailers who know what there doing.
any problems with cf's/wc's is because your newbies.


cf's can be turned into the same condition as cb's.

[andy007]

Originally Posted by Athravan

In Ghana, the average YEARLY income is £170 that's just £14 a month - or a whopping 4pence a day. That's the average, that's not the people on the poverty line, the people starving. The average man in Ghana supports a wife and between 3 and 5 children on this wage!

I just thought I would add those for people who say the hunter/tracker/catcher earns almost nothing - if he even earns 4p for a days work he is considered average. That's the same as earning about £40-£50 for a days work here. 4p may not be much for us, but in Ghana, that supports a man, his wife, and up to 5 children from being on the very edge of poverty and starvation.

I said "I doubt very much". Didn't say they do earn almost nothing.

The point is, there are people making big profits and others just making a living. I dont know how much these workers get paid, and i doubt many people give it a thought nor care, when they hand over their cash to a supplier.

Like i said this is just my personal view

[Ally]

Originally Posted by fuzzielady

If every person along the line actually checked on and cared for the animal they would be a lot healthier and there would be less problems when they get to their new homes. This would cut profits

As a retailer, I'd have to disagree with that bit. A healthy, well cared for reptile is far more profit than a dead one!
First, you get to sell it.
It's worth more as a well settled, treated, quarantined animal.
If it does well for the customer, you get a better reputation which is worth thousands more than replacing one reptile!

We're not all bad...!

[sharpstrain]

Originally Posted by fuzzielady

If every person along the line actually checked on and cared for the animal they would be a lot healthier and there would be less problems when they get to their new homes. This would cut profits and that at the end of the day, they do it for the profits. Others do it for fresh blood, gene's etc. These people are more likely to be able to give them the care they need to recover. If you get these snakes dirt cheap knowing they are straight of a shipment you can't complain later when it bites you in the butt. Unfortunately we are in a society that wants everything cheap or free. If no one bought them knowing they couldn't possibly have had proper care then it wouldn't happen. As long as there is a market for it, it will continue to happen. Sad thing is even after all the publicity it has had this year, people will still be swarming to get them straight off the boat next year because they are so cheap. Lots of CF come in each year that get the proper care and go on to have happy healthy lives. I think the the fact that the ones I think this poll is about, have been hanging around for a long time with out even food or water has made this batch so ill. So I have not voted on the poll as I don't think it just because they are CF that is the problem.

This poll isnt about any specific animals - it is about the philosophy of importing cf or cw animals in general - I have held my own views on this subject for many years and they are not affected by the recent situations, although that has acted as a stimulus for the timing of the post.

[jesuslovestheladies]

Originally Posted by Chiltern Reptiles

Most reptiles have laws protecting them in the wild and strict restrictions on how many can be taken in any one year.
There also seasonal restrictions in some cases, to prevent gravid females being taken.

these regulations and seasonal restrictions are obviously having no effect if the majority of animals in the pet trade are still WC/CF,

as mentioned previously, there are huge numbers of invertebrates also being collected from the wild each year as well, now alot of people will say 'urgh but there ugly and they bite' but at the end of the day they are a species on this earth and they have the right to be able to sustain a wild population. how ever, at this current moment the amount of inverts being taken from the wild will contribute to making many invert (and lets not forget the vital food chain) and reptile/mammal species endangerd.

there maybe restrictions but in my opinion, captive farming should be stopped full stop, CF denys a animal any chance of its offspring being able to grow to an age were it will be able to help contribute to a wild population. with CF all your doing is mass WC collecting, but with minimal effort, in effect you potentially remove an entire generation from the wild with captive farming.

[hermanlover]

cant really give a straight answer for this, but personally i think it should be limited, as people have said, some snakes you simply cant get as CB, so WC or CF is the only option. were as you have snakes such as royals, which are breeding perfectly well in the wild, but people still feel the need to bring them over in the millions every year. i think its disgusting the conditions they are kept in until they are shipped over. so in a nut shell, no dont ban it, but more regulations wouldnt go a miss.

[fuzzielady]

Originally Posted by Chiltern Reptiles

As a retailer, I'd have to disagree with that bit. A healthy, well cared for reptile is far more profit than a dead one!
First, you get to sell it.
It's worth more as a well settled, treated, quarantined animal.
If it does well for the customer, you get a better reputation which is worth thousands more than replacing one reptile!

We're not all bad...!

I was meaning from way before they even came into this country. I know there are quite a few that import them, make sure they are ok and feeding etc and sell on

[Ally]

The restrictions don't mean that they can't take a lot of animals, but they do ensure that the wild population will not be threatened by over collecting. It is the collectors interest for there to be more to collect next year, and the year after etc.
Take them all now, and you lose your livelihood.

Captive Farming isn't always a case of taking gravid females from the wild. I know of four farms in Africa that are just that - farms. Like we farm cows.
Big massive pens, safe from predators and the babies are collected up. The adults can just get on with breeding undisturbed, and the babies are brought over here. Although having seen the animals from these farms you'd have no idea that they were cf, the quality is top notch.