Put an end to WC and CF Reps - yes or no

[Ally]

Originally Posted by fuzzielady

I was meaning from way before they even came into this country. I know there are quite a few that import them, make sure they are ok and feeding etc and sell on

Again though, a decent importer is aware that a live reptile is worth money. They often don't get paid for dead-on-arrival ones.
There are some good ones out there, they need supporting. The dodgy ones can rot in hell for all I care!

[boidae]

maybe complain about oils and ores and minerals.
animal populations can be managed but oils etc cant.

as you know some species are illegal to farm and wild catch. the reason you can wc and cf things like the ball pythons is because there not endangered yet.

your poll is worthless in that aspect.

maybe you could work out what it really is your after? perhaps bad keepers? who lack husbandry of the harder to keep wc's and cf's?
even so, you should be able to buy healthy cf's and wc's from all good retailers
(if otherwise report the company to animal welfare).

this is how it should go.

importer-
retailer (they quaranteen them to health and pick out the better feeders etc)-
public hands


then there will be no problems with them.
(unless your adept with the perticular species and you can personally vett them)

any animal you purchase you should vet even if cb'd.

[jesuslovestheladies]

thats four farms in one very large country. the point is that with deforestation and rural expansion, natural habitats are becoming increasingly smaller and fragmented. then when you have the actual animals them selves being collected, well its all down hill pointing.

it makes me quite sad really, alot of people here appear to care about their animals, but only the ones in captivity, doesnt any one care about wild populations? so far the only points that have been put against WC/CF is that the animals arrive in poor condition, no body has said anything about endangering animals...

EDIT no matter what you say, animals in the wild breed only to sustain wild populations, they dont breed to accomodate the pet trade no matter how vain the market is. so as the end of the day its not good IMO.

[boidae]

Originally Posted by jesuslovestheladies

thats four farms in one very large country. the point is that with deforestation and rural expansion, natural habitats are becoming increasingly smaller and fragmented. then when you have the actual animals them selves being collected, well its all down hill pointing.

it makes me quite sad really, alot of people here appear to care about their animals, but only the ones in captivity, doesnt any one care about wild populations? so far the only points that have been put against WC/CF is that the animals arrive in poor condition, no body has said anything about endangering animals...

EDIT no matter what you say, animals in the wild breed only to sustain wild populations, they dont breed to accomodate the pet trade now matter how vain the market is. so as the end of the day its not good IMO.

you need to be asking more about human population. were the top of the food chain and the dominant specie and were technically pests.
if only there was something superior to us.
to stop us carrying on overpopulating.
find a way to decrease our numbers (wont happen because increased population scares other countrys from attacking) then nature can live in peace.
i dont mind if you invent some sort of human killing virus thats unstoppable

[jesuslovestheladies]

boidae, dont even get me started on that area of discussion, though if your up for a good debate theres always PM

[the-tick]

Originally Posted by boidae

maybe complain about oils and ores and minerals.
animal populations can be managed but oils etc cant.

as you know some species are illegal to farm and wild catch. the reason you can wc and cf things like the ball pythons is because there not endangered yet.

your poll is worthless in that aspect.

maybe you could work out what it really is your after? perhaps bad keepers? who lack husbandry of the harder to keep wc's and cf's?
even so, you should be able to buy healthy cf's and wc's from all good retailers
(if otherwise report the company to animal welfare).

this is how it should go.

importer-
retailer (they quaranteen them to health and pick out the better feeders etc)-
public hands


then there will be no problems with them.
(unless your adept with the perticular species and you can personally vett them)

any animal you purchase you should vet even if cb'd.

The poll is valid as it's asking peoples opinion on should it continue or not

but to expand on your opening gambit there boidae what about the flea market? it hops all over the place and is cannot be managed as the unions have stepped in and banned the use of harnesses and matchbox usage, blame the cats and dogs I say.

See a useless post in regards to this particular thread


SNAP

[jesuslovestheladies]

lmao ...

EDIT and your signature is hilarious too.

[Fixx]

Originally Posted by jesuslovestheladies

thats four farms in one very large country. the point is that with deforestation and rural expansion, natural habitats are becoming increasingly smaller and fragmented. then when you have the actual animals them selves being collected, well its all down hill pointing.

No it's not all downhill pointing. By encouraging sustainable harvesting of any wild animal you are helping to preserve natural habitats and giving the local people a chance to earn an income without degrading their environment. There was a very interesting article in Iguana (the IRCF's Journal) last year on sustainable harvesting of wild anaconda for their skins, in fact after controls were brought in on quotas and sizes of animals allowed to be taken surveys showed that the wild populations were actually doing better than before.

It's all very well the developed world telling the third and developing world that they should preserve their environments BUT we need to give them a reason to preserve their natural habitats and the only way to do that is to allow them to earn money from them.

[the-tick]

Originally Posted by jesuslovestheladies

lmao ...

EDIT and your signature is hilarious too.

Bows, I thank you

[jesuslovestheladies]

fixx... its people like you that make the right comments but are still hated for being right... theres a very valid comment, and one i do consider sometimes, and to be honest i cant come up with an argument against that... (but that doesnt mean everyone can now start jumping on the fixx post band wagon)