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Old 26-09-2008, 06:55 PM
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Just had a re-read and have answered my own question.
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Old 26-09-2008, 06:57 PM
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one question: this wont affect reptiles alredy in or cb in england will it?

also does this affect the transportation of animals from international reptiles shows such as hamm?
It only affects wild caught or captive farmed animals as specified, only from the countries specified (all of which are outside the EU). All of the animals listed that I recognise as being in the pet trade can still be imported wild caught and farmed from other countries, and it does not affect any movement of CB animals, or of any animals already within the EU.
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Old 26-09-2008, 06:59 PM
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I think this SHOULD be beneficial to the species in question,but generally just means more will go to the US if only EU restricted,or become worthless to the natives in impoverished countries,and there-by food or pests.Just the way of the world i guess.
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Old 26-09-2008, 07:19 PM
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In case anyone actually cares...

Caiman crocodilus - Spectacled Caiman
Paleosuchus trigonatus - Shneider's Dwarf Caiman
Crocodylis niloticus - Nile Crocodile
Uromastyx aegyptia - Egyptian Uromastyx (Dabb Lizard)
Uromastyx dispar - Sudan Uromastyx
Uromastyx geyri - Saharan Uromastyx
Brookesia decaryi - Spiny Leaf Chameleon
Calumma boettgeri - Boettger's Chameleon
Calummna brevicornis - Short Horned Chameleon
Calumma capuroni - Madagscar Chameleon
Calumma cucullata - Hooded Chameleon
Calumma fallax - Deceptive Chameleon
Calumma furcifer - Forked Chameleon
Calumma gallus - Blade Chameleon
Calumma gastrotaenia - Perinet Chameleon
Calumma globifer - Flat Casqued Chameleon
Calumma guibei - Guibe's Chameleon
Calumma hilleniusi-
Calumma linota - Maeoantsetra Chameleon
Calumma malthe - Yellow-green Chameleon
Calumma nasuta - Big Nosed Chameleon
Calumma oshaughnessyi - O'Shaughnessy's Chameleon
Calumma parsonii - Parson's Giant Chameleon
Calumma tsaratananensis - Tsaratanan Chameleon
Chamaeleo deremensis - Usambara Three Horned Chameleon
Chamaeleo eisentrauti - Eisentraut's Chameleon
Chamaeleo ellioti - Montane Side Striped Chameleon
Chamaeleo feae - Fe's Chameleon
Chamaeleo fuelleborni - Ngosi Volcano Chameleon
Chamaeleo gracilis - Graceful Chameleon
Chamaeleo montium - Cameroon Sailfin Chameleon
Chamaeleo pfefferi - Pfeffer's Chameleon
Chamaeleo senegalensis - Senegal Chameleon
Chamaeleo werneri - Uzungwe Three Horned Chameleon
Chamaeleo wiedersheimi - Mount Lefo Chameleon
Furcifer angeli - Angel's Chameleon
Furcifer antimena - White Lined Chameleon
Furcifer balteatus - Rainforest Chameleon
Furcifer belalandaensis - Belelanda Chameleon
Furcifer bifidus - Two-Horned Chameleon
Furcifer campani - Madagascar Forest Chameleon
Furcifer labordi - Labord's Chameleon
Furcifer minor - South central Chameleon
Furcifer monoceras - One horned Chameleon
Furcifer petteri - Petter's Chameleon
Furcifer rhinoceratus - Rhinoceros Chameleon
Furcifer tuzetae - Ambiky Chameleon
Furcifer wilsii - Canopy Chameleon
Cordylus mossambicus - Mozambique Girdled Lizard
Cordylus tropidosternum - Tropical Girdled Lizard
(Dwarf Sungazer)
Cordylus vittifer - Reichenow's Spiny Tailed Lizard
Phelsuma abotti - Albdabra Island Day Gecko
Phelsuma antanosy
Phelsuma barbouri - Barbour's Day Gecko
Phelsuma breviceps -
Phelsuma comorensis -
Phelsuma dubia - Dull Day Gecko
Phelsuma flavigularis - Yellow Throated Day GECKO
Phelsuma guttata - Speckled Day Gecko
Phelsuma klemmeri - Yellowed Headed Day Gecko
Phelsuma laticauda - Broad Tailed Day Gecko
Phelsuma modesta - Modest Day Gecko
Phelsuma mutabilis - Thicktail Day Gecko
Phelsuma pronki -
Phelsuma pusilla -
Phelsuma seippi - Seipp's Day Gecko
Phelsuma serraticauda - Flat tailed Day Gecko
Phelsuma standingi - Standing's Day Gecko
Phelsuma v-nigra - Indian Day Gecko
Uroplatus ebenaui - Spearpoint Leaf Tail Gecko
Uroplatus fimbriatus - Giant Leaf Tail Gecko
Uroplatus guentheri - Gunther's Leaf Tail Gecko
Uroplatus henkeli - Frilled Leaf Tail Gecko
Uroplatus lineatus - Lined Leaf Tail Gecko
Uroplatus malama - Smooth Skined Leaf Tail Gecko
Uroplatus phantasticus - Satanic Leaf Tail Gecko
Uroplatus pietschmanni -
Uroplatus sikorae - Southern Leaf Tail Gecko
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Old 26-09-2008, 07:25 PM
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Caiman crocodilus - Spectacled Caiman
Paleosuchus trigonatus - Shneider's Dwarf Caiman
Crocodylis niloticus - Nile Crocodile
Uromastyx aegyptia - Egyptian Uromastyx (Dabb Lizard)
Uromastyx dispar - Sudan Uromastyx
Uromastyx geyri - Saharan Uromastyx
Brookesia decaryi - Spiny Leaf Chameleon
Calumma boettgeri - Boettger's Chameleon
Calummna brevicornis - Short Horned Chameleon
Calumma capuroni - Madagscar Chameleon
Calumma cucullata - Hooded Chameleon
Calumma fallax - Deceptive Chameleon
Calumma furcifer - Forked Chameleon
Calumma gallus - Blade Chameleon
Calumma gastrotaenia - Perinet Chameleon
Calumma globifer - Flat Casqued Chameleon
Calumma guibei - Guibe's Chameleon
Calumma hilleniusi-
Calumma linota - Maeoantsetra Chameleon
Calumma malthe - Yellow-green Chameleon
Calumma nasuta - Big Nosed Chameleon
Calumma oshaughnessyi - O'Shaughnessy's Chameleon
Calumma parsonii - Parson's Giant Chameleon
Calumma tsaratananensis - Tsaratanan Chameleon
Chamaeleo deremensis - Usambara Three Horned Chameleon
Chamaeleo eisentrauti - Eisentraut's Chameleon
Chamaeleo ellioti - Montane Side Striped Chameleon
Chamaeleo feae - Fe's Chameleon
Chamaeleo fuelleborni - Ngosi Volcano Chameleon
Chamaeleo gracilis - Graceful Chameleon
Chamaeleo montium - Cameroon Sailfin Chameleon
Chamaeleo pfefferi - Pfeffer's Chameleon
Chamaeleo senegalensis - Senegal Chameleon
Chamaeleo werneri - Uzungwe Three Horned Chameleon
Chamaeleo wiedersheimi - Mount Lefo Chameleon
Furcifer angeli - Angel's Chameleon
Furcifer antimena - White Lined Chameleon
Furcifer balteatus - Rainforest Chameleon
Furcifer belalandaensis - Belelanda Chameleon
Furcifer bifidus - Two-Horned Chameleon
Furcifer campani - Madagascar Forest Chameleon
Furcifer labordi - Labord's Chameleon
Furcifer minor - South central Chameleon
Furcifer monoceras - One horned Chameleon
Furcifer petteri - Petter's Chameleon
Furcifer rhinoceratus - Rhinoceros Chameleon
Furcifer tuzetae - Ambiky Chameleon
Furcifer wilsii - Canopy Chameleon
Cordylus mossambicus - Mozambique Girdled Lizard
Cordylus tropidosternum - Tropical Girdled Lizard
(Dwarf Sungazer)
Cordylus vittifer - Reichenow's Spiny Tailed Lizard
Phelsuma abotti - Albdabra Island Day Gecko
Phelsuma antanosy
Phelsuma barbouri - Barbour's Day Gecko
Phelsuma breviceps -
Phelsuma comorensis -
Phelsuma dubia - Dull Day Gecko
Phelsuma flavigularis - Yellow Throated Day GECKO
Phelsuma guttata - Speckled Day Gecko
Phelsuma klemmeri - Yellowed Headed Day Gecko
Phelsuma laticauda - Broad Tailed Day Gecko
Phelsuma modesta - Modest Day Gecko
Phelsuma mutabilis - Thicktail Day Gecko
Phelsuma pronki -
Phelsuma pusilla -
Phelsuma seippi - Seipp's Day Gecko
Phelsuma serraticauda - Flat tailed Day Gecko
Phelsuma standingi - Standing's Day Gecko
Phelsuma v-nigra - Indian Day Gecko
Uroplatus ebenaui - Spearpoint Leaf Tail Gecko
Uroplatus fimbriatus - Giant Leaf Tail Gecko
Uroplatus guentheri - Gunther's Leaf Tail Gecko
Uroplatus henkeli - Frilled Leaf Tail Gecko
Uroplatus lineatus - Lined Leaf Tail Gecko
Uroplatus malama - Smooth Skined Leaf Tail Gecko
Uroplatus phantasticus - Satanic Leaf Tail Gecko
Uroplatus pietschmanni -
Uroplatus sikorae - Southern Leaf Tail Gecko
wow i didnt know there were so many types of Chameleons and geckos
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Heloderma horridum - Beaded Lizard
Heloderma suspectum - Gila Monster
Conolophus pallidus - Barrington Land Iguana
Conolophus subcristatus - Galapagos Land Iguana
Iguana iguana - Green Iguana
Corucia zebrata - Solomon Island Skink
Varanus bogerti - Louisiade Tree Monitor
Varanus dumerilii - Dumeril's Monitor
Varanus exanthematicus - Savannah (Bosc) Monitor
Varanus jobiensis - Peach Throat Monitor
Varanus niloticus - Nile Monitor
Varanus ornatus - Ornate Monitor
Varanus prasinus beccarii - Emerald Tree Monitor (sub species?)
Varanus salvadorii - Crocodile Monitor
Varanus salvator - Water Monitor
Varanus telenesetes - Rossel Island Tree Monitor
Varanus teriae
Varanus yemenensis - Yemen Monitor

Snakes:
Boa constrictor - Boa Constrictor
Calabaria reinhardtii - Calabar Burrowing Python
Eunectes deschauenseei - Dark-spotted Anaconda
Eunectes murinus - Green anaconda
Gongylophis colubrinus - Egyptian Sand Boa
Naja atra - Chinese Cobra
Naja kaouthia - Monocled Cobra
Naja siamensis - Indo Chinese Spitting Cobra
Liasis fuscus - Brown Water Python
Morelia boeleni - Boelen's Python
Python molorus - Burmese Python
Python regius - Royal Python
Python reticulatus - Reticulated Python
Python sebae - Rock Python
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Old 26-09-2008, 07:39 PM
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Shelled:
Chrysemys picta - Painted Turtle
Trachemys scripta elegans - Red Eared Slider
Callagur borneoensis - Painted Terrapin
Cuora amboinensis - Amboina Box Turtle
Cuora galbinifrons - Flowerback Box Turtle
Heosemys spinosa - Spiny Turtle
Leucocephalon yuwonoi - Sulawesi Forest Turtle
Malayemys subtrijuga - Mekong Basin Turtle
Notochelys platynota - Malayan Flat Shelled Turtle
Siebenrockiella crassicollia - Malaysian Black Mud Turtle
Erymnochelys madagascariensis - Madascar Big Head Turtle
Peltocepahalus dumerilianus
Podocnemis erythrocephala - Red Headed Amazon River Turtle
Podocnemis expansa - Arrau River Turtle
Podocnemis lewyana - Magdalena River Turtle
Podocnemis sextuberculata - Six tubercled Amazon River Turtle
Podocnemis unifilis - Yellow Spotted River Turtle
Aldabrachelys gigantea - Aldabra Giant Tortoise
Chelonoidis denticulata - Brazilian Giant Tortoise
Geochelone elegans - Indian Star Tortoise
Geochelone platynota - Burmese Star Tortoise
Geochelone sulcata - African Spurred Tortoise
Gopherus agassizii - California Desert Tortoise
Gopherus berlandieri - Texas Tortoise
Gopherus polyphemus - Florida Gopher Tortoise
Indotestudo elongata - Elongated Tortoise
Indeotestudo forstenii - Forsten's Tortoise
Indotestudo travancorica - Travancore Tortoise
Kinixys belliana - Bell's Hinge back Tortoise
Kinixys homeana - Home's Hinge back Tortoise
Kinixys spekii - Speke's Hinge back Tortoise
Manouria emys - Asian Forest Tortoise
Manouria impressa - Impressed Tortoise
Stigmochelys pardalis - Leopard Tortoise
Testudo horsfieldii - Horsefield's Tortoise
Amyda cartilaginea - Asiatic Softshell
Chitra chitra - Chinese Soft shell
Pelochelys cantorii - Asian Giant Soft Shell
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Old 26-09-2008, 07:52 PM
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This is not new legislation as such, it is simply modifying of EU Regs 338/97. The EU has always imposed import suspensions of species the SRG conceder venerable. Quite how this is suppose to benefit conservation is a mystery to me as it simply moves trade from the EU to Japan or the USA, and is very often detrimental as it lowers the value of animals so the exporting country exports twice as many. Almost as mysterious is how the SRG come to there conclusions, it has been suggested this involves consumption of large quantities of alcohol, a red TFH Atlas of reptiles, a blindfold and a pin – although I’m sure this is not true!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Almost as mysterious is how the SRG come to there conclusions, it has been suggested this involves consumption of large quantities of alcohol, a red TFH Atlas of reptiles, a blindfold and a pin – although I’m sure this is not true!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I don't understand, is it the countries or the species / ie if it is a country can the same animal cross the border to another country and be picked up and sent to the EU but if he stayed where he was he was safe.

Thinking about Horsfields and Yellowfoots in general !
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