A Far Cry From Nature

[rakpeterson]

a very biased portrayal, with alot of incorrect statements given as fact.

[beege_3]

A totally biased portrayal of the care at Shows.

[HadesDragons]

It's pretty biased and is probably intended to mislead people who aren't familiar with reptiles.

There are still some valid points made though - I've never been to Hamm so I don't know whether the film's portrayal of venomous snakes and they way in which they are displayed is accurate or not. If they are really kept in small, plastic tubs such as that then perhaps it's something that should be addressed - like the film says, it's an accident waiting to happen.

I have no doubt that the film makers will have trawled through hours and hours of footage to find the worst examples to make a film a few minutes long, but there are a few shots in there that make me - as a reptile keeper - cringe. The adult beardie in a box around 8-9" long where it is forced to bend and can't move is one example; the baby terrapin in a poly box where it has no land and can't touch the bottom would be another. Most of the stuff they show is just presented out of context - the small boxes are literally display / travel boxes that the animal will be in for a day or so. That said, regardless of your stance as a reptile keeper and regardless of any bias in the film as a whole, there are plenty of areas that shows in general could - and perhaps should - improve on.

[Alex M]

Originally Posted by HadesDragons

It's pretty biased and is probably intended to mislead people who aren't familiar with reptiles.

There are still some valid points made though - I've never been to Hamm so I don't know whether the film's portrayal of venomous snakes and they way in which they are displayed is accurate or not. If they are really kept in small, plastic tubs such as that then perhaps it's something that should be addressed - like the film says, it's an accident waiting to happen.

I have no doubt that the film makers will have trawled through hours and hours of footage to find the worst examples to make a film a few minutes long, but there are a few shots in there that make me - as a reptile keeper - cringe. The adult beardie in a box around 8-9" long where it is forced to bend and can't move is one example; the baby terrapin in a poly box where it has no land and can't touch the bottom would be another. Most of the stuff they show is just presented out of context - the small boxes are literally display / travel boxes that the animal will be in for a day or so. That said, regardless of your stance as a reptile keeper and regardless of any bias in the film as a whole, there are plenty of areas that shows in general could - and perhaps should - improve on.

Totally agreed Hades, those were the images that made me think that the anti's had very fair points too, and i too cringed when i saw some of those shots. There is definitely room for improvement there, some of it looked very out of order regarding animal welfare and the DWA's just left in flimsy tubs on the respective table seems a little irresponsible to say the least.

[freekygeeky]

just watched all 18 mins of it.
hmm
and towards teh end of the second one... coach to the show and many RFUK'ers are on it...

[beege_3]

Just a thought, but if anyone can recognise themselves in it then I'm sure they could have the video removed due to not signing a Public Disclosure (i think thats what it's called).. After all, it's pretty derogatory.

[rakpeterson]

Originally Posted by beege_3

Just a thought, but if anyone can recognise themselves in it then I'm sure they could have the video removed due to not signing a Public Disclosure (i think thats what it's called).. After all, it's pretty derogatory.

I could be wrong but i believe that out in public permission is not needed.

I base this those police programs where people i have seen express a wish not to be filmed and they are told that as long as it is filmed in a public space then no permission is needed.

Please correct me tho if anyone knows different.

[FelixMarmite]

Originally Posted by Alex M

Ahhh the voice of Clifford Warwick, the only reptile biologist i know of with a degree or 2 that refers to snakes as 'poisonous' (funny in itself). Must admit though, i did agree with some of the points he raised in those 2 videos.

I know of him. He was my Auntie's ex partner!