Exotic Animal Skin Clothes

[adamntitch]

Originally Posted by Dextersdad

First off in India cows are sacred and get treated very well.
Secondly "places like that" will upset some folk who have people from "places like that" in their family, such as myself.

I didn't say that the leather I have, say for my bike comes from a UK cow.

well there ment to be sacred but thats where the leather comes from they also put chill or something in there eyes to make them stand or something al find the link for you its not all sacred as you say and when i said places like that i mean places round that area nothing againest the people in the areas but its well known that what they do to animals is cruel in other peoples eyes

here you go watch that then tell me there treated well

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb8lZy...eature=related

[sparkle]

Originally Posted by Dextersdad

First off in India cows are sacred and get treated very well.
Secondly "places like that" will upset some folk who have people from "places like that" in their family, such as myself.

I didn't say that the leather I have, say for my bike comes from a UK cow.

Actually thats not strictly true sorry.

I have been to India and it is the Hindu faith that sees cows as sacred not muslim, christians etc..and since hunduism is actually in many places a minority not a majority much of india do not treat cows sacredly in any whatsoever...

Muslims do of course have halal meat

and this is the definition of what HALAL meat is


For meat to be classified halal, a Muslim must have slaughtered the animal from which it came by a single cut to the throat -- without stunning it first.

A prayer, including the words 'Allah is great' ([or "Allahu Akbar" in Arabic], the same chant that is heard when Muslims kill innocent men, women and children), is said while a single cut to the throat all the blood is drained.




therefore when a cow has to be salughtered for meat in india trust me... its not pretty i have seen it.. and they are NOT treated WELL like you say i saw some deathly skinny emaciated cows when i was there.. they are left to roam in some areas and not pestered so in thaty way yes perhaps u can say they are somewhat protected.. but the majority of cows in india are not treated as a sacred entity..


Inidans eat beef.. beef comes from cows and those cows are not treated well at all.. on many occasions poverty in this country forces the farmers to be unable to treat the livestock as wel as they may wish and animal wefare is very different in Asia than the UK.

when i was in india i saw what a family have to do to slaughter a cow and it was not a fast painless death...

now that doesnt bother me as such as their methods were obviously without use of electricity.. age old and totally within their social and morla framework.. therefore in no way upsetting to me .. but treated WELL.. as you said.. definately not how I would view it

what bothered me more was the sad skinny cobra defanged that was being abused by the 'snake charmer ' on Anjuna beach!!

[Dextersdad]

Originally Posted by sparkle

Actually thats not strictly true sorry.

I have been to India and it is the Hindu faith that sees cows as sacred not muslim, christians etc..and since hunduism is actually in many places a minority not a majority much of india do not treat cows sacredly in any whatsoever...

Muslims do of course have halal meat

and this is the definition of what HALAL meat is


For meat to be classified halal, a Muslim must have slaughtered the animal from which it came by a single cut to the throat -- without stunning it first.

A prayer, including the words 'Allah is great' ([or "Allahu Akbar" in Arabic], the same chant that is heard when Muslims kill innocent men, women and children), is said while a single cut to the throat all the blood is drained.




therefore when a cow has to be salughtered for meat in india trust me... its not pretty i have seen it.. and they are NOT treated WELL like you say i saw some deathly skinny emaciated cows when i was there.. they are left to roam in some areas and not pestered so in thaty way yes perhaps u can say they are somewhat protected.. but the majority of cows in india are not treated as a sacred entity..


Inidans eat beef.. beef comes from cows and those cows are not treated well at all.. on many occasions poverty in this country forces the farmers to be unable to treat the livestock as wel as they may wish and animal wefare is very different in Asia than the UK.

when i was in india i saw what a family have to do to slaughter a cow and it was not a fast painless death...

now that doesnt bother me as such as their methods were obviously without use of electricity.. age old and totally within their social and morla framework.. therefore in no way upsetting to me .. but treated WELL.. as you said.. definately not how I would view it

what bothered me more was the sad skinny cobra defanged that was being abused by the 'snake charmer ' on Anjuna beach!!

I'm not getting into an argument with you but my comment stands. It is offensive to read such indescriminent comments about India and such places.

Yes, there are areas of India where animals are not treated fairly.

I too have been to india (as I have native family there) and am aware of faith differences and how cows can be treated and culled. I was merely pointin out that they are treated well (OK not across the board but they ARE in certain areas) and I have seen humane treatment.

Enough said.

[adamntitch]

Originally Posted by Dextersdad

I'm not getting into an argument with you but my comment stands. It is offensive to read such indescriminent comments about India and such places.

Yes, there are areas of India where animals are not treated fairly.

I too have been to india (as I have native family there) and am aware of faith differences and how cows can be treated and culled. I was merely pointin out that they are treated well (OK not across the board but they ARE in certain areas) and I have seen humane treatment.

Enough said.

so did you watch the video then after all this is about the leather not anything else

[Dextersdad]

Originally Posted by adamntitch

so did you watch the video then after all this is about the leather not anything else

I'm not talking about videos or anythig else I was pointing out that it's not really on to make sweeping comments about a country and what goes on there as was done when I first quoted you. Simple as that.

No need to highlight my native part. Yes I have indian family and yes they treat animals humanely. India is very diverse and has many subsections of society there and animals are often treated well, depending on where you are in India.

[adamntitch]

Originally Posted by Dextersdad

I'm not talking about videos or anythig else I was pointing out that it's not really on to make sweeping comments about a country and what goes on there as was done when I first quoted you. Simple as that.

No need to highlight my native part. Yes I have indian family and yes they treat animals humanely. India is very diverse and has many subsections of society there and animals are often treated well, depending on where you are in India.

o stop taken it all to heat i pointed out thats where most leather came from nothing else and you make it into this big thing not once have i said al people from indian are bad or anything so calm it and stop reading posts the wroug way also you have p.m

[sparkle]

Originally Posted by Dextersdad

I'm not getting into an argument with you but my comment stands. It is offensive to read such indescriminent comments about India and such places.

Yes, there are areas of India where animals are not treated fairly.

I too have been to india (as I have native family there) and am aware of faith differences and how cows can be treated and culled. I was merely pointin out that they are treated well (OK not across the board but they ARE in certain areas) and I have seen humane treatment.

Enough said.

you didnt say certain areas

I was merely pointing out that they are not sacred in India ( India is a country not a faith.. I have been and loved it and spent a lot of time with families on rural farms ...) you having family there dsoes not make you more able to comment than me ... so dont play the discrimination card it doesnt suit you

Some is SOME.. not all

your comment is similar to that of me saying

IN the UK all dogs are treated humanely ...
just because i have seen SOME dogs inSOME areas treated that way

I was giving the other side of the coin a chance to be aired... if that makes me discriminatory then by default it makes you also discriminatory as you gave only ONE side of the coin... i was simply flipping your one sided coin and giving the other side a wee chance


they are sacred to the hindu faith which is MORE WAY MORE than India .. ( and u know how much i really love u so dont take offence here Mr touchy pants)

My ex boyfriend is a doctor and hindu so I do know a fair bit about the faith itself...

YOU were discriminating against all the other countries where cows are sacred in SOME AREAS to hindus.... The sacredness of cows is NOT about the country but about the Hundu faith me pointing that out is not negative


discrimination is as much about being over postive as well as factual.. as wel as derogastory and absoluely nothing i said was in any way derogatory

dont take offence here its really not abvout that

I am giving over facts just the same as you only we are stating different but equally true facts


so if u tar me with a brush tar youself and have a proper debate

we are a world with lots of types of people with views that differ... thats what i was trying to say... please dont make it into something else xxx